Murray Horton: It’s time for Independence from a Crumbling US Empire!

Interviewed by

Lisa Er

Murray Horton: It’s time for Independence from a Crumbling US Empire!

Can New Zealand become non Aligned? Can we as a small educated nation control our own destiny and become more independent and not be dragged into the military industrial complexes, war games - based on planetary control by the corporate elite?

CAFCA, (Campaign Against Foreign Control of Aotearoa) announces the launch of AIM (Aotearoa Independence Movement) and invites you to join them.

CAFCA is preparing to initiate and drive a nationwide dialogue to advance the case for a non-aligned Aotearoa based on policies of economic, military and political independence.

This is not a new thing from CAFCA - it has been part of their core issues since they were founded more than 40 years ago.

Murray Horton talks most knowingly about political history and current day issues that contribute to the founding of the AIM campaign.

Murray has been a Christchurch-based political activist since 1969 and is the Organiser for both the Campaign Against Foreign Control of Aotearoa (CAFCA) and the Anti-Bases Campaign (ABC)

He is a University of Canterbury graduate, and has worked in a number of "real" jobs, the longest being 14 years as a Railways worker. His redundancy in 1991 was followed by his becoming the full time paid Organiser of CAFCA.

He says:

“The advent of Donald Trump in the US provides an unprecedented opportunity to take a good, hard look at Aotearoa's place in the world".

And to ask the question - "Why are we still a loyal member of the American Empire?"

As the old saying goes, you are judged by the company you keep.

CAFCA says it's time for this country to pull the plug, to finish the business started in the 1980s which saw us out of ANZUS; and break the chains - military, intelligence, economic and cultural, etc, etc - that continue to bind us to the American Empire.

Let's deal with the world on our terms, not on those dictated from whichever empire we happen to be a junior member of at the time.

Somebody needs to take the initiative and we're happy to do so.

“What is AIM? (Aotearoa Independence Movement.) It's a campaign, not an organisation.

What is a specific example of what being non-aligned would look like? An obvious one would be to get Aotearoa out of the Five Eyes spy network and close the Waihopai spy base. That would remove this country from being entangled in wars and spying that serve the interests of the US and and other countries, not ours. Another one would be to drastically tighten the foreign "investment" laws governing who owns our companies and land.

What will AIM do to "initiate and drive this nationwide dialogue"?.

That will be decided by the organisations and individuals that get involved in the campaign.

It is not about Donald Trump.

He is simply the catalyst who offers us a once in a lifetime opportunity to build this campaign and create a truly non-aligned Aotearoa.

We know that there are plenty of New Zealanders right across the political spectrum who are just as appalled as we are by what the world is witnessing going on in the US every day.

But it's not about whoever happens to be US President.

This is about the longer view and the bigger picture.

Nor is it "anti-American" (or "racist" or "xenophobic", for that matter).

We stand with the American people who are fighting back in their millions. We stand with them as we stood with them in common causes ranging from stopping the war in Vietnam to the invasion of Iraq and the failed attempt to impose the TPPA on our peoples.

The campaign has begun for a truly non-aligned Aotearoa. You'll be hearing more from us. We need as many people as possible to get actively involved” Murray Horton

See here for the Aotearoa Independence Movement’s website.

It includes Murray’s speech given at AUT Pacific Media Centre, “Time for Independence from a Crumbling US Empire.”

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This interview is sponsored by ‘The Awareness Party.’

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Lisa Er

Lisa Er

Born in the UK Lisa emigrated with her parents to New Zealand at the age of 16. Already politically active Lisa has continued to have a passionate interest in peace, politics, and the philosophy behind what we do.

A primary school teacher for 14 years, Lisa then turned her hand to business and created the well known Lisa's Hummus, which she sold a few years ago. Now Lisa is immersed in creating a better political system via