John White (Friends of the Earth), Michael Fleck (Transition Towns) & Bill Watson (Sea Shepherd)

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The core idea is that Nature, imaginative by necessity, has already solved many of the problems we today are grappling with: energy, food production,\n        climate control, non-toxic chemistry, transportation, packaging, and a whole lot more.
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Animals, plants, and especially microbes are the consummate engineers. They have found what works, what is appropriate, and most importantly, what\n        lasts here on Earth.
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However, we humans have only really woken up to this in the last 30 years.
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If we could only mobilise our consciousness (and media) at a global level, we would be both amazed and shocked to realize that the answers to our challenges\n        are already embedded in nature, the same living super system that we too are deeply embedded in, except we have disconnected ourselves.
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Time to awaken and reconnect, to our great sustainer our planet and recognise that so much of the biota, have over millennia and eons have worked through\n        phases of evolution to innovate the best conditions for life and the common future for this life. 
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In nature nothing exists alone.
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Rachel Carson
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Sam Stier: http://www.asknature.org\n    
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Learn more about biomimicry in video:\n        
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/janine_benyus_shares_nature_s_designs.html\n    
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And print:\n        
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/feb2008/id20080211_074559.htm\n    
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Niki says that most New Zealanders across a whole range of political opinions think this is a significant problem and we actually do not have enough clean\n    drinking water in this country.\n    
 
This statement is correct - in clean green NZ (hold your nose) she says there is an actual lack of good quality drinking water - and that local\ncouncils are having difficulty in providing fresh water for their communities. Plus, there is the added issue around plastic waste and these plants produce\nbillions of plastic bottles over the lifetime of their operations.\n
She says it is a huge issue for everyone across the country.\n    
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There is a range of issues:
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Councils across NZ don't have the monetary resources to remedy this situation.\n    
 Many Council water bores are from shallow groundwater.\n    
 To obtain higher quality water you have to drill deeper and that is an extra cost.\n    
 Nitrates, detrimental to health, that have dissolved in the water - cannot be filtered out.
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Some Councils take water closer to the surface and treat it and the condition of the surface water determines the treatment it requires. This is a growing\n    issue especially in Canterbury and into Christchurch city. However, the big issue is nitrates in shallow groundwater - and that these cannot be treated.\n    This is an increasing looming issue right across New Zealand.
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Putting chlorine in the water supply to deal with viral bacteria etc is one thing but dealing with nitrates is a far more complex challenge. Being due\n    to intensive farming over decades.
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That we will have nitrates passing down through the soil and they will continue like this for decades - so it is a problem that we cannot get rid of quickly.
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Water Going Off Shore 
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Niki says her concern is that water bottlers are coming into NZ and taking away our very best water, our cleanest water, our deepest water. Thus local     communities are having to fork out a lot of money to 'treat' their water and potentially not be able to get healthy, clean, nitrate free water.\n    Especially into the future and she says we have to think of the future because these bottling companies are being granted 'consents' for 30 years (because\n    they want continuity of supply) as they are putting in massive infrastructure and they need that security - but it appears that no one is looking ahead     30 years    - to the state of the groundwater, community supply or basically anything at the moment and essentially there are no controls and no thinking     of future generations ... \n
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Tim asked - who are making these decisions in NZ? Who is allowing these water agreements to happen - especially when the community is kept in the dark?
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She says it is an interesting/complicated state of affairs, we have quite a few small water bottling plants and they do not produce a lot at the moment\n    - but we are now having some larger companies coming into NZ. Listen - this gets interesting ... 
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These corporations have been coming into NZ and talking with Government Ministers directly, including NZ Trade and Enterprise - and\n    supporting NZers who want to sell their land to overseas investors who want to bottle water and these Government representatives have acknowledged\n    doing this through their emails.\n    
 
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That NZ Trade and Enterprise (NZTE) - supports the sale of land. It has supported about 8 overseas enterprises over the years.
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The NZ Taxpayer is helping finance these industries 
 
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It is supporting 6 at the moment and the NZ tax payers are actually supporting water bottling companies (Just like the Film Industry is supported by NZ\n    tax payer dollars) 
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Some overseas companies do need Overseas Investment Office consent.
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Listen to the fact that there’s a number of tiers - with high end solicitors being engaged at the top by the overseas entities and the cash strapped communities\n    and Councils at the bottom.
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At present:
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That Aotearoa Water Authority (who is representing the interests of ordinary NZers) is in court with a Creswell Company at the moment. 
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Plus Otakiri, water bottling is taking 1.1million cubic meters from a deep water aquifer per year near Whakatane. Link. www.Loveandcare.nz\n
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That the NZTE actually brought the Chairman out to NZ so as to help him find the water he was wanting ... 
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So Niki suggests we need an entire country wide review to make everything transparent. 
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The NZTE's job is to help NZ businesses to Grow bigger, better, faster ... but it can also be a NZ business that can be ultimately owned by a foreign company.\n    With the case of Cresswell NZ that wants to run the Whakatane venture as well as Cloud Ocean Water which is a NZ company which has just been taken\n    to court by AWA Aotearoa Water Action, but ultimately it is overseas owned as well.
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However recently (possibly due to NZ Community pushback) the NZTE have given up actively promoting water bottling to foreign investors. But, they will\n    help a NZ land owner with a large water consent - a water permit - to sell their land to a foreign investor. 
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Who are these companies? There are Australian Companies that are ultimately owned in Japan. That is Frucor Suntory See: www.Frucorsuntory.com/brands-nz 
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But the big ones Aotearoa Water Action are battling in court are from China.
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Tim asks - shouldn't NZers need to know who is taking our drinking water offshore? Niki says it is more than this. It’s to see what impacts are on our\n    aquifers, future supplies, what about the plastic - what are the recycling facilities overseas? Because, NZ water is now packaged in plastic to go\n    overseas. Are we basically exporting a plastic tsunami overseas?
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The amount of NZ drinking water that leaves this country annually is a tricky one, she says. In 2017, 28 million litres were being exported every year.\n    In 2017 domestic use was about 158 million litres (packaged in plastic bottles) 
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Last year 118 million litres was exported.(See TVNZ) they did a documentary (unable to find, can you assist please?)
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Local Push Back 
 
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Some years ago, Ashburton in the South Island was going to have a large water bottling venture that essentially was going to sell some land called Lot\n    9, which had a large 'water permit' attached to it that gave ‘free’ access to huge amounts of water.  This was to an overseas entity, but when\n    people heard about this there was such a 'huge organised and fired up out cry from both the local and the NZ community that it was not allowed to come\n    into being.
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Lack of Local and Central Government Oversight.
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Listen - Councils apparently, have no duty of care to put out to the community an expression of interest by an overseas company wanting to buy\n    land and ultimately a water source. Thus commercial undertakings of NZ strategic interests have yet to be set in Law to make sure that we do not lose\n    valuable resources (sovereignty) due to the public not knowing what is being bought and sold. There is no obligation by the Councils in NZ to let the\n    Community know about important issues such as this.
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Note that if you have a water right to the land you buy and there is a huge aquifer underneath - there is no Law in NZ stating that you cannot suck it\n    dry! There is no limit on the volume taken out. (Thanks to the NZ Government still remaining unconscious)
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Water is part of the 'commons' and Councils and Government can not charge for it, that can only charge for the council infrastructure to pipe it from place\n    to place. Listen - Niki is a very good communicator. 
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Strategically the water bottlers are looking at purchasing land that are adjacent to aquifers close to ports. Like Cresswell NZ Ltd. Especially in Whakatane\n    in the Bay of Plenty and there are 3 water bottling plants within a two kilometre radius. Also the Whakatane Council was actively promoting the bottling\n    industry and used rate payer funds on marketing the good value of water bottling. 
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Maori Perspective.
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Tim asks are Maori and Iwi not upset? She says there are some Maori involved in bottling. One in Murupara was slated to start but it was abandoned because\n    the iwi found that they were not going to have control of the water consent.
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We have yet not grappled with Maori rights over fresh water as the sovereignty issue naturally has to be addressed.
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Will we have to take our water, back from the company if our need in the next 30 years become urgent? What is the deal?
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Overseas Trade Agreements 
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Trade Agreements that the NZ Government have signed. What are the sticking points if we want to break such deals? What is the punishment etc if we renege\n    on a Trade Agreement?
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The cultural side is also important. The Treaty of Waitangi is an agreement between Maori and the British Crown. What is the Maori perspective? For they\n    are deeply embedded in Papatuanku - mother earth - they see rivers as living entities that are an extension of the Wairua and the Mauri. - (Spirit\n    and its relationship to the Land) Just like the Whanganui River now has' living entity' status sanctified by the NZ Government in 2016. Hence, many\n    Maori are offended in the gross commercialisation of what they see as sacred and an extension of their tribal land and indeed the tribe itself.
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Listen .... the Government is in some ways boxed in due to Trade Agreements - as well as land use - and they were not conscious enough further\n    back in time to classify water and give it a special status in its own right. The Government and Councils do not grok rivers and land from a holistic\n    perspective and due to linear thinking, have been incapable of seeing the big picture - that in Maoris eyes, we are dealing with a living being and\n    water for want of a better expression is an entity within Papatuanuku and is akin to 'her' life blood.
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Other Subjects covered. 
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Canterbury water allocation for dairy farms - after a certain level of use is reached - then farmers need to then buy it. Via in this case a company called\n    Hydro Trader.
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If you are in Canterbury and have a water consent to pump out water on your land. It keeps your land value high - even if you do not utilise it.
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34 Billion Litres Per Year. 
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There is 34 billion litres of water per year that has been consented - but at present only 118 million liters are being bottled so the bottlers are still\n    only doing millions .... just know that the water bottle industry in NZ is according to Niki - is not regulated. That there are no specific rules around\n    water bottling - (thank you NZ Parliamentarians for not being aware.)\n
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They are not classified in the RMA 'Resource Management Act' or in the Policy statement for Freshwater Management.
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We can now see how ratepayers have become the meat in the sandwich.
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A Royal Commission Required. 
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We in NZ need a Royal Commission of enquiry to sort this out. But, not just by industry and lawyers - but also land holders, ecologists, water specialists\n    and health professionals too.
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Niki says we need to look at it from a holistic standpoint. This is a word and a concept, that came about around 100 years ago by the future Prime Minister\n    of South Africa Jan Smuts - it is a great pity that politicians of today do not understand this very important word and concept.
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At present we in NZ are bottling water and shipping all these plastic bottles overseas - and leave this plastic for some other nation to clean up. We export\n    our environmental costs, under the pretext that what we are selling is pure water - pumped out of the ground for free! 
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Plastic bottles - that are often left in the sun - result in producing lots of micro plastic particulates  - children drinking from these bottles\n    - health challenges etc 
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Niki says she doesn't want to see NZ farms dotted with water bottling plants. 
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Speaks out against privatisation of water - it has to remain public owned. 
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There is presently a court case against Cloud Ocean Water, who are extracting here in NZ.
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This is a very important interview for all NZers - our adult bodies are composed of about 70& water, babies about 85% water. We need the best and highest\n    purity for us all.
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QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT ASKED\n
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We have to find out how land owners can obtain water consents and what is the process. That once a plot of land has a water consent - does it have it for life?\n
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Who is the person/organisation who gives this consent to the landowner? \n
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Can this consent be overridden? \n
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How much does a water consent cost, if any? 
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https://www.aotearoawateraction.org.nz/\n
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https://www.facebook.com/aotearoawateraction/\n
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    "Sub-Paragraph": "Water mining. This is a very important issue facing New Zealand. There is 34 billion litres of water per year that has been consented to be taken out of the ground. Of this 1.1million cubic meters from a deep water aquifer per year near Whakatane. Water is not an 'owned' commodity in NZ. It's free if you have a permit. ",
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We first cover some recent history, and the stopping of economic imperialism here in NZ on the far reaches of what was once the British Empire.\n    
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However it's about Offshore Corporations being able to profit from NZ resources and labour and taking all their profits away overseas and not really investing\n    in the NZ community at large. 
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For example, back in 1975 at the bottom of the South Island the Bluff aluminium smelter was built by the Rio Tinto Group an Anglo-Australian\n    multinational and the world's second largest metals\n    and mining corporation. This smelter was classified by CAFCA as the largest corporate bludger in NZ. They obtained cheap electricity from Governmentally\n    owned power stations - huge amounts - at a tiny fraction of what a NZ householder would pay for.
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Murray also stated that CAFCA has a clear message – that it does not take immigration as a reason for the inequities of large amounts of money being taken\n    out of NZ, as this can be easily hijacked and if you are not careful, slip into racism – especially if you are not vigilant.
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The concern is foreign big business and their domination of virtually all aspects of the NZ economy.
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Like land sales, banks, news media etc – but virtually any sector of the NZ economy you care to think about is dominated by TransNational Corporations.\n    They used to be called MultiNational Corporations – because they increasingly operate in a huge number of countries, a number of them so global that\n    they are far larger than the NZ economy. 
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Oil corporations and Apple, Google, Amazon and Microsoft – the digital corporations – they are enormous and continue via software developments to expand\n    their influence whilst encroaching on ours.
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NZ Needs to Become Self Sufficient 
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AIMs of CAFCA – that NZ should be a self sufficient economy and that if you are going to have foreign investment it has to be for the benefit of New Zealanders\n    not to simply for overseas investors to ‘fill their own pockets.'
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For example; 2,000 workers at the Bluff smelter will be now out of work. Because it suits the Corporate interest to do that. That a corporation basically\n    does not have a social contract or obligation and they are doing nothing to improve NZ's debt situation. Thus CAFCA considers them to be a net liability\n    – not an asset.
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He mentions also the film playing now in NZ called 'Island of the Empire' and it's about NZ’s military relationship with the United States that's been\n    updated with Murray starring (my words) way back in the mid 1980's featuring journalist Nicky Hager, ex Green MP Keith Locke and his sister Maire Leadbeater.\n    Plus ex Activist now Mayor of Invercargill - Tim Shadbolt.
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Also mentioned, is the 30 year old campaign against the Five Eyes Waihopai - Echelon Listening outpost for the US - UK alliance – that vacuums up all our,\n    (meaning your) - telephone calls, fax’s, texts etc etc. And then saves them for later.\n
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Green Rush - Murray mentions the excellent Radio NZ research on who owns our land.
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The four largest private landowners in New Zealand are all foreign-owned forestry companies. This superb research by Radio NZ is an eye opener. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/400417/green-rush-foreign-forestry-companies-nz-s-biggest-landowners\n
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The information comes from an excellent RNZ investigation into land ownership in New Zealand.
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Using Land Information New Zealand data, Companies Office searches and other research, RNZ compiled a list of what is believed are the 100 biggest private\n    landowners in New Zealand by area, not including the Crown and public entities (which control at least 28 percent of the land) or iwi (Maori).
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Forestry – not the above radio NZ article which only focussed on land ownership and did not focus on leased land and that is more dominant. This is important\n    to realise - that it is not what is recorded - but what is obscured or hidden. 
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Foreign direct investment (ownership of companies) in New Zealand increased from $15.7 billion in March 1989 to $121.7 billion as of March 2019 - almost\n    eight times.
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As a proportion of the total output of the economy, Gross Domestic Product, it has risen from 22% to 40%.
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Statistics NZ data shows the countries where $100m or more in foreign direct investment was based as of March 2019 as being, in decreasing order: Australia,\n    Hong Kong, US, Japan, UK, Singapore, Canada, Netherlands, British Virgin Islands, China, Cayman Islands, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Germany and France\n    (though the investments from some countries have been suppressed). These accounted for 93% of foreign direct investment in New Zealand.. Australia\n    alone accounts for 50% with $57 billion of the $113 billion total.
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Murray continues, About You - the average NZ home owner. 
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The average house owner who owns less than 5 hectares of land and collectively owns about 1.5 % of NZ. 
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But, it gets worse - those who have around an acre of land with their house on it, such as Mum and Dad owned homes - the total comes to 0.5% of NZ.
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Large units of Privately owned land in NZ  
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We have 4,600 people in NZ 0.1% of the total population that own half of the land owned by the 10 largest landowners.
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Listen to this, because Murray says the present government is doing something about curtailing the sale of our land … Eugenie Sage, the Green, Minister\n    for Lands ‘outside’ of Government (not invited to Cabinet meetings) has actually said No to an overseas buyer. The Transnational mining\n    company Oceania Gold, who are mining in Waihi in the Coromandel (where there is a huge hole in the ground) was not allowed to expand its operations\n    to buy more farmland so as to use it to dump more toxic waste – however she was overruled by Labour Govt Cabinet Ministers. In this case the Finance\n    Minister David Parker who is basically at the top of the pecking order along with David Clark (also the Minister of Health ) who is associate Minister\n    of Finance. Both overruled her.
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However Murray states that since 2017 that this Labour lead Govt, of NZ First and the Greens has been doing something substantive to slow down the sales\n    of land to overseas buyers.
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The Government now has a watchdog type unit that is monitoring sales. Called the ‘Overseas Investment Office’ - you must first check in with the OSIO to\n    see if you can buy … listen or better still track the links below this article.
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Banking: $10,000,000,000 of banking profits from New Zealanders annually - from 5 million people.
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NZ's Four largest banks in NZ are Australian - These four Aussie banks constitute an enormous chunk of the NZ economy (and who is it who owns these Australian\n    Banks? Do they have links back to the UK or the US? Follow the money …. \n
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They are taking out of the NZ economy $10.3 billion dollars profit which is a substantial amount from less than 5 Million people. In the decade from 2010\n    up until 2119 they made $84.4 billion in profits out of satisfied New Zealanders. Of which ¾ of this money left NZ.
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We discuss how the ASB the Auckland Savings Bank, once a very successful ‘Trust’ bank was sold off to the Commonwealth Bank of Australia - which was then\n    privatised by the Conservative Howard, Australian Government.\n    
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In NZ the many ‘Trust’ Banks that were here - were absorbed into Westpac of Australia. Only Taranaki and Southland remained sovereign. 
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We learn that Jim Anderton of the Alliance Party managed to start Kiwi Bank totally against the wishes of Prime Minister Helen Clark and Finance Minister\n    Michael Cullen of the Labour Party. 
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In 2019 we learned of ‘other’ tax havens such as the Bahamas, Barbados, Bermuda, Channel Islands which include Jersey and Guernsey, Dubai and United Arab\n    Emirates and Island of Man – but the value of all their holdings have been suppressed as quote unquote – Confidential. \n
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That the NZ government refuses to let this information out.
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Listen ... we can go on becoming serfs in our own country or we can ask every political candidate why is this so? Even Ex National PM John Key\n    mentioned that New Zealanders may become tenants in their own country. Not that he really made an effort to alleviate that.
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We also learn in this interview, how Labour’s Minister of Finance, David Parker is now making it more streamlined for overseas investors to buy into NZ.\n    This is a shocker.\n
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Note that any purchase in NZ that is under $100 million does NOT have to go through any Government oversight – and they do not show up in the statistics!
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Murray gives an example – if the Auckland Sky tower went up for sale at $99.999 million dollars and someone from Russia, China or America wanted to buy\n    it – that sale would not figure in any of the NZ Government books – it would just go through as an ordinary real estate transaction. (hidden from Public\n    scrutiny) So you can see that the present Government has actually taken the goal posts away from the field altogether. This being done in plain sight\n    by our generously paid elected Representatives who have run away with their own agenda by refusing to represent the interest of ‘we the NZ public.’
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Just like selling our house or a flat or whatever … but in Australia it’s considerably higher - they have a $520 million threshold – so the Australian\n    public are being shafted too.
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That all sales under that $100 million threshold, 'fly under the radar' and the NZ Government (your Government) for decades has been complicit in this.\n    You would have to question that they are wanting to do away with our Sovereignty as a self-reliant nation!
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Have a good focused listen.  This is an Election Issue.
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In 2017 the Government put in certain breaks to stop certain countries coming in and bulk buying houses – Have a listen ... 
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Australian and Singaporeans can buy a house in NZ today or many, because of the NZ/Singapore Free Trade Agreement and the Closer Economic Relations (CERA)\n    with Australia, respectively.
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Note that recently the Australian Government convened a Royal Commission of Enquiry into their Banks (and the Insurance Industry) and have found very damning\n    evidence of wrongdoing – but the NZ Government has declined to do the same – though the 4 largest banks in NZ are Australian owned. Which\n    gives us cause to wonder …
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We hear from Murray that over seas insurance corporations take in profits of $38 billion annually. 
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As there is an election here in September I asked Murray what questions we should ask Politicians in any public forum?
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Every candidate be asked about* – why the Government rushed through the Temporary Overseas Investment (urgent measures ) Amendment Act – so that any foreigner\n    has to have it run by a Governmental National Interest Test.
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This is to stave off in the situation that critical businesses and infrastructure cannot be bought out in a fire sale - if due to another Covid or other\n    national disaster that collapse the economy and then have a foreign entity or predator come in and scoop our assets up at a bargain basement price\n    – an then exit the country … 
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Now most countries globally have done the same and in Australia too.
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So* ask our political candidates to make this 'National Interest Test' - permanent – be it a farm or the Auckland harbour bridge – it\n    has to go through that National Interest Test. Do you agree to that? That it be made permanent. Plus, to now make this to\n    apply to transnational investors already operating in this country.
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Murray said that the Bluff Aluminium smelter would not have passed this test – saying they are a bunch of bludgers – he said if the National Interest Test\n    had been applied to all the overseas banks in NZ – they would have failed it too.
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Also ask this question. Do you renounce the whole Neo Liberal Economic Model?This will let you see who is independent or who follows the\n    party line. 
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Also mentioned that farms are being bought up and converted to pine forests – do we not need to keep the rural sector populated and have schools – villages\n    and towns and the local infrastructure working sustainably - being robust?
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Other subjects covered.
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NZ sources so many of its medicines, pills etc from overseas - that a huge percentage come from India and this was compromised during the Covid lockdown\n    - because we had all our eggs in one basket. The US too had 95% of its antibiotics sourced from China. Trump has certainly put a halt to that.
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Rio Tinto of Australia and what they did on the island of Bougainville was totally lacking in a social conscience. 
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US Bases at Christchurch? It is exempted from NZ Nuclear Free Law, and NZ politicians will tip toe around it, trusting New Zealanders will remain silent.
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That NZ Legalised spying on NZ – by the J Key Government 
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The Global media program lies that NZ is an honest country, when it is definitely not.
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Murray states that CAFCA is also for Progressive Nationalism Versus Globalism.
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Wanting NZ to become as self sufficient and sustainable as possible.
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To remind you all.\n
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Find out that 10's of $Billions of holdings are hidden with direct NZ Government knowledge - so as to not be scrutinised by 'we the people.’
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This is a giant scam and needs to become an election issue - and it will - with your help and assistance.\n
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What I didn't get around to asking about:
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Fishing companies in NZ. 
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TPPA. Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement. Anything we need to know?
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Water resources being sold off at a pittance to overseas entities. I have this link.
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To Aotearoa Water Action 
 
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https://www.aotearoawateraction.org.nz/ IMPORTANT.
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Selling into NZ – Products from China that overtime deteriorate in quality. 
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I apologise to readers, in my listening and poor note taking and writing them up coherently. It's just too time consuming and then to reread and rewrite so that they make sense takes hours and hours. Trusting you forgive me as it’s all voluntary.\n
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By clicking on the three below links you will be able to see the bigger picture. 
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http://canterbury.cyberplace.co.nz/community/CAFCA/key-facts.html        
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http://canterbury.cyberplace.co.nz/community/CAFCA/key-facts/cafca-key-facts-2020-with-notes.pdf        
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/400417/green-rush-foreign-forestry-companies-nz-s-biggest-landowners        
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When asked about all the issues facing us he replies “what is our ecological relationship with each other and also with the planet as well?”\n    
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He says he comes at that - not as to be perceived as a narrow ecological radical - but as somebody who thinks he’s getting to the heart of the issue of\n‘what are we doing with our life support system?’\n
He says he is very aware and cognisant of the trends - the downward trends and the degradation we cause to ‘that’ life support system. And therefore -\n    what we also need to do to turn that around and that this action will affect every aspect of our lives.
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That’s his essential focus and he states that he can take these issues down to (he trusts) to a very practical level and a here and now level - because\n    it is ‘quite overwhelming’ … to have to think about the shear inter-dependence and the shear integration of all of these issues.
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Listening and Being Aware of Nature
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Though we produce huge amounts of waste by the 7.7 billion human inhabitants - Rod says that if we ‘listen’ to nature and take our understanding from nature\n    - it naturally knows, having embedded complete circular systems - so that everything that is used - is reused - everything that is depleted gets replenished\n    - and that in essence is the living system that is the planet.
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So if we make sure that we are working with nature and not against it - and we are making sure that we are giving these incredibly complex ecosystems the\n    chance to recover - then, because we are taking the pressure off them - then these ecosystems become far more resilient and can deal with far more\n    variation.
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Rod says that these ecosystems can then become far more productive - so potentially they can support more people on the planet ‘as long as we are making\n    sure we are doing everything in sync with nature.
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Circular Economy
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The ‘circular economy’ was mentioned as one of these concepts and Rod thinks it is a very helpful idea, because it’s a very important bridge between how\n    we think about our linear system now, which is to extract things from our ecosystems in order in which to make and consume things. Often this causes\n    more pollution - which obviously is a very negative thing to put back into the ecosystem - or to incur loss of resources in that linear system. So\n    he says how do we make sure that everything we do loops back so we make sure that we completely understand how to unmake everything that we manufacture?\n    Stating that all the natural resources that go into what we make - can then be reused again. Or that human made resources and he says we have to be\n    very careful of these - especially that we are working with nature and not against it. Like they are not building up, for example - heavy metals as\n    a toxin in ecosystems. E.g. The heavy use of super phosphate in NZ has caused widespread contamination of farmland due to excess cadmium now being\n    in the soil.
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He also mentions our reusing and recycling things but also to repurposing items that we have previously used - to the nth degree so that we completely\n    are ‘an integral part of the natural systems.’
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Cradle to Cradle - came up - William Mcdonough and Dr. Michael Braungart https://www.cradletocradle.com/ and Rod likes this because it\n    encapsulates in a sense, the life cycle that brings you back to where you started. So that you can start all over again. He said that this concept\n    has been around for a while and has been applied to some extent by some ‘real champions ‘ but we have a way to go before all our human activity fits\n    into that model and has ‘that’ right relationship. (essentially, there is a refusal by business and government due to having to change our whole consciousness\n    to see that we are all part of a greater whole, and that all of nature has myriads of cycles embedded in it.
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We humans have yet to make the effort to understand it. Whereas indigenous people are totally surrendered to the cycles of life, being the seasons, moon\n    cycles, tidal, ebb and flow and more subtle ones like the water cycle etc -spawning season etc and see themselves as an extension of nature's process.
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Conscious Recycling
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Tim then mentions that back in 1993 on Deutsch TV he saw a program where BMW showed off a concept that they were working on where computers were used to\n    follow a blueprint of a vehicle being built from the basic constituent parts by robotic machines. eg, chassis, engine, cab, windows + doors, then windscreen,\n    wheels etc to lastly internal fittings - to finally that BMW being driven off the factory floor. Then what they showed was that say 10 years later\n    or 15 years - (depending if planned obsolescence was still in vogue) the car would return to a designated factory and the computer program would be\n    reversed and the robots would start taking out the internal fittings, the wheels, windscreen, then the doors + windows etc until the cab, engine’ and\n    chassis was left and then these particular components could be reused, recycled or used in some other way. This was a perfect plan to bring the waste\n    signature of a manufactured product to the smallest ecological footprint possible - but somewhere in this process hardened attitudes have prevailed\n    - and this noble idea has been shelved.
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Initiating Change and Encouraging to Adapt, Modify and Transform the Way we Live and Work.
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Rod also talked about how do we learn to encourage each other to change … and it is now very important since Covid19 became such a focus and influence\n    on our lives. That the extraordinary statistic of our death rate in NZ was just over 2 people per million - whereas in the UK he said it is 900 people\n    per million, which is 400 times our death rate. Latest 44,000. And we need to remind ourselves we have done well in NZ, but in the last month\n    or so we have become rather fractious and anxious and he senses that we are shutting down to a degree, when his hope is that we can emerge out of the\n    Covid Crisis and head of into a far better direction.
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So Rod asks the question - how do we encourage people when obviously many people are struggling with so many things? That they may be unemployed, engaged\n    in stresses and strains in the family and they are maybe worried about their health- and he is very aware of these important issues - and being able\n    to support each other through this. But, needing to think and encouraging people to think how we might do things differently and better, is dear to him\n
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However there is a lot going on:\n
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He mentions: https://www.theaotearoacircle.nz/\n
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The Aotearoa Circle and the late Sir Rob Fenwick - co founded with Sir Jonathan Porrit. Sadly Rob died in early March. (I was in touch with Rob some years ago for an interview and we just could not tie in a time.)    
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The Aotearoa Circle is composed of leading NZ businesses and Government Agencies, and the senior members of the entities involved. The central theme of\n    this is about putting Natural Capital - i.e ecosystems as the centre of everything that we do. He says that rather conventional companies are starting\n    to think in these terms. And he sees some real thought going on in the Circle as to what this future looks like.
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Also here in NZ we had Vision Week - which a bunch of organisations got off the ground. AnewNZ was mentioned. This link was an interview\n    with Dave Breuer - the initiator of AnewNZ. https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/dave-breuer-founding-director-of-anew-new-zealand\n
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Aotearoa 2020 vision and Rod says\n    that we have all these good ideas going on - but we have a very tired and exhausted political system.\n
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Politically - NZ is tired and exhausted
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Rod proffers up the meme that rather than reverting to tribal politics i.e just automatically voting for the party that you usually vote for or identify\n    with - but instead - prioritise in your own life and in your own thinking - what is important to you. Therefore finding the part that best\n    aligns with that thinking, and it may not be your traditional party. So vote for the two top issues rather than your normal default\n    tribal loyalty vote. He says this will be a big help in this coming election.
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Transcending Party Politics - with a Long Term Societal Consensus.
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Rod talks about the short 3 years election cycle so that in this short time, a Government can’t get things done - but … it also ignores the fact\n    that the issues we are working on, are very long term so …
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He says we need a very strong ‘societal consensus’ on what we are doing that can completely transcend the short term election cycle. Because,\n    we could never have an election cycle long enough for a Government to really have an impact.
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Grand Coalition of the Major Parties?
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Rod talks about Ireland where they, after much talking with each other and a stalemate of some months, they have finally agreed to a ‘grand coalition’\n    of the two major parties. This he says is a very encouraging idea.
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He said the Germans have had them too, and though they are very complicated to organise and keep functioning - Rod sees this as a good sign to see that\n    society has a common sense and a common understanding of what needs to be done and a real strong sense of a ‘commonwealth’ and about what needs to be done for the common good.    Wealth not seen as a narrow monetary and financial sense - but a common inner wealth that is embedded throughout society as a whole.
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NZ becoming a Cashless Country.
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Youth today are not carrying cash - so when will NZ become a cashless society? Sweden is supposedly 80% cashless. What are the benefits and what are the\n    challenges. The financial records of a country will be instantly at the fingers of the Minister of Finance, as well as the Minister of Inland revenue.\n    Far less counting of cash and printing and smelting of money. It will start to stamp out the dark economy.
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Will this happen in NZ and virtually overnight? Tim proffers up a scenario to Rob that this could be very detrimental to ecological, health or political activists - in that if the ruling government at the time, does not agree with your democratic right to call out shortfalls in Government policy or even practices that could be deemed corrupt. What is to stop ‘them’ phoning your bank to put a stop on all your EFTPOS and Credit card transactions and you are caught 200 ks away from home, with an empty gas tank at 3pm in the morning? Where you find yourself marooned, running late and unable to travel?\n
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Rob says that there have to be safeguards specifically put in place like the ‘Bill of Rights’ - to make sure this does not happen. My retort, that I did\n    not air is, providing we have a government of the people for the people. But, who is to say that a Government may, under ‘urgency’ pass through legislation\n    in 24 hours - that makes ‘activists illegal’ and this comes under the umbrella of you being classified as terrorists?
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Blockchain and bitcoin was mentioned - but we never got into it as it’s a one hour subject in itself.
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The Fourth Industrial Revolution.
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The Fourth Industrial Revolution - basically followed on from the 3rd Industrial Revolution with transistorised technology and the start of computerisation\n    in the 1970s and now it is ramping into a fully fledged omnipresent and ubiquitous presence planetary wide from near earth orbit to every area on the\n    geosphere. 
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 With the rapid deployment of 40,000 new satellites in geostationary orbit around our planet and with 5G technologies all working ubiquitously and microwaving\n    our biosphere what are the health implications for humans, animals, plants and the microorganisms that are all interconnected for the health and well\n    being of healthy biota?
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Rob says that at the highest level he is in favour of the Fourth Industrial Revolution and the cashless society too as it is only an evolution of human\n    ingenuity. (providing that the controllers and bankers are honest and full of integrity).
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Stating - that ecosystems have to have precedence as they are our life support system.
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But, he is open about his concerns and stresses that there is nowhere near a strong enough connection back into the eco systems. So this has to be focused\n    on. Stating, that it's not about remaking or reinventing ecosystems - but it is to make sure that what we do - fits in with them. And he says that we can then align with this.\n
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He says with the integration of 5G it will help us hugely in being able to access and share information that will allow us to understand all the societal\n    systems, communications banking transactions etc as well as monitor all ecological systems and that as we become more complex as a civilisation there\n    will be this need to have essentially real time info so as to keep the whole system in balance and operating coherently.
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Rod said he has done some research and reading and he states that he comes down firmly - that 5G is Ok for us, health wise.
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Stating that 5G is not a source of Covid 19 - (Which was never a health point in the discussion, as 5G has been going on for over 18 months - and Covid only hit us early this year - but this is where the narrative gets hijacked - Tim)\n
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Transportation in the 4th Industrial Revolution.
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Electric cars - are not the answer for city commuting. Electric public transport can be. Rob states - we have to change our lifestyles. 
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London - has got on top of its congestion, with a big rebuild of its underground system - Plus New York too. 
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Copenhagen is a very successful city and In Brazil, Curitiba and mayor Jamie Lerner, was very innovative. 
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Tim said we need campions - but Rob says we also need buy-in …. to get our transport system efficient so that people don’t have to ‘fall back on\n    private cars’
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The interview covers:
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Population
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With the increase in population and people moving to cities. 
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The individual = parenting - values and virtues - family values - 
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To bring children into the world is a huge responsibility and to validate them
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Old people too.
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Rod said that have always known that it takes a village to raise a child - but the system has fragmented. 
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Mens Sheds for retirees - this gets the men out of bed in the mornings and gives them a focus to build or repair things. Older women seem to cope more\n    easily, and can crochet and knit and are able to converse more fluidly.
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Old people have stories to tell of their varied experiences - listening - validating them - writing these stories for posterity. 
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Hospitals in NZ, many were given land by Maori - fresh food for patients - today hospitals dispense seriously poor food and drink. 
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Living in Urban Areas 
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That there are 100 community gardens in Auckland - where all cultures can cooperate and grow fresh, vital organic food. Where they can share seeds, experience\n    and recipes - and learn about each other's cultures and customs.
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Globally in the future there will be 80% of people being urban dwellers Growing food in cities is going to be important. Rod talks a lot about bringing\n    back nature into the cities. This is where we need liveable cities. 
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Biophilic Cities https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/smart-cities/482752-the-rise-of-biophilic-or-nature-friendly-cities
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Birmingham - In Victorian times, the captains of industry way back believed in the Victorian ideal of parks and outdoor pursuits being really good for\n    people - Birmingham has a large percentage of parks per population. Also the Cadbury Family started their factory there - being Quakers their venture\n    with cocoa and chocolate - had very good worker relations - treated with respect and well paid - because Cadbury had a very strong social conscience.
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Tim Asked the question in relation to NZ today.\n
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Stating that the glaciers in the South Island are still melting and retreating.
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That the seawater around NZ especially on the West Coast is warming.
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Where are the Pillars of Society? The Civic Minded Elders, the Kuia and Kaumātua? 
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Where a hundred years ago Civic pride and giving back to society was in many different ways, the done thing - today there seems to be a void.
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However there is a trend for older people to act as a mentor for our young people. Which is excellent.
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Rod mentioned that he has been on NZ Town Hall meetings - online - to share and offer advice - which is a superb idea.
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He talks about leadership saying that there are some very good community oriented people of all generations and describes this as being like ‘yeast in\n    bread’ - that they are scattered throughout the community saying ‘we have some good ones’. I say yes, but not nearly enough.\n
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Planet of the Humans, the movie that Michael Moore was the executive director of.
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I, Tim said that it was an important documentary - as to me, who has been in the environmental movement since 1974 - it exposed many shortfalls in the\n    environmental movement as well as some of their so called ‘champions - like Al Gore and Bill McKibben, who wrote an exceptional book - the End of Nature.\n    Rob disagreed with some of the timings that were produced in the movies saying they were taken ‘out of context’ and that some of the data was dated.\n    
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He said that the UK is producing more energy from renewables than gas, coal and oil. (But, I forgot to ask about Nuclear, but the UK still\n    has 15 reactors generating about 21% of its electricity as of 2020.
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Rob’s major criticism of this doco was that they focused on ‘that there were too many people on earth.’ That overpopulation was the cause of our troubles.\n    But Rob said the human population is only growing at one percent every year, but consumption is growing at 3% every year. This is\n    where we are putting huge amounts of pressure on our biosphere.
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That our trading patterns have to change, where we in NZ can produce the same diary products as the Europeans - so why do we buy their cheese for example\n    - when the only difference is basically the packaging and the label? Distribution of food for example is another challenge, as there is also a huge\n    amount of waste. However, we did not have time to discuss this.
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That our population growth is projected to taper off at about 10 billion people. That is 2 more billion people coming into the world during this time.\n    Another subject that we lacked time to speak about.
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That we should remember that everything we do from now on, is to work with nature and not against it.
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He mentioned that we need to stop strangling the natural world - or words to that affect - as without nature we can not exist.
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I thoroughly enjoyed this interview and though I have a good number of differences with Rod - he is an excellent interface of the need to realise that\n    it’s our planet that loans us a body, free air, free rain water and until recently a free food chain.
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That he is constantly among business people, industrialists, farmers and economists - and is the one who can gradually awaken them to the fact that we\n    are dependent on our planet and nature that so delicately survives within the biosphere. The sooner we recognise this, the sooner we as a civilisation\n    will acknowledge that we are planetary beings and a ‘global family’ awakening from eons of time to our true inheritance.
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That of actually being cosmic beings - expressing through 3 dimensional bodies and sharing and breathing the invisibility of an oxygen system freely given\n    to us by ocean plankton, trees and foliage from around our ecosphere. Once this connection is fully realised - a major transformation in consciousness\n    will occur and a new paradigm will be born.
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Had we had time I would have liked to have Rod talk about Agenda21 and Agenda2030 and many other topics too.
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Next time. :) 
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The Periodic Table of Elements is a classical arrangement of the chemical elements, organised on the basis of their atomic numbers, electron configurations and recurring chemical properties. This being a 21st century decode of the 'building blocks' of existence. Up until today, this has been laid out in text book fashion in a rectangular format.
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Glen’s groundbreaking way of looking at the Periodic Table is by shifting one’s 2 dimensional view point to that of a 3 dimensional viewpoint. By making\n    it a round, circular method. This elegant shifting of perspectives, now enables a new way to begin to ‘unlock’ the secrets of matter. In the years\n    ahead all chemists and physicists will marvel at the simplicity of what Glen has achieved and ask themselves - \"why didn’t I think of that myself?\"
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Around 330 BCE, the Greek philosopher Aristotle proposed that everything is made up of a mixture of one or more roots, an idea that had originally been\n    suggested by the Sicilian philosopher Empedocles. The four roots, which were later renamed as elements by Plato, were earth, water, air and fire. Similar\n    ideas about these four elements also existed in other ancient traditions, such as Indian philosophy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_periodic_table\n    
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So over time right up through the industrial revolution enquiring minds have endeavoured to map out the ‘constituents of matter’ for over 2,400 years.
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Cut to today and Glen takes this formalised 2 dimensional rectangular layout and reconfigures it into a circle or 3 dimensional sphere. What happens is\n    that one set of elements on one side of the sphere has ‘corresponding’ elements on the opposite side of the sphere. The old axiom ‘As above so below’\n    comes into play here. Just as in astrology, Libra is opposite Aires and Aquarius is opposite Leo and as Glen is an astrologer he sees everything as\n    circling around us here on earth in a 360 degree perspective that is a 3 dimensional map of the localised star field.
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Building on Rudolf Steiner’s Teachings 
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Glen has been working at very subtle levels based on the teachings of Rudolf Steiner who though was an educator had a very profound understanding of\n        agriculture - hence we get ‘biodynamics’ as a system of working with both the elements - as well as cosmic forces.
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Using the ‘timeless maxim’ - ‘as above so below’ - and looking at the ‘structure’ of creation above us, we can get the pattern or model that we can\n        use to look at us and the organization that occurs within us. So here we are living on a planet and out of it’s own life processes has created\n        an atmosphere that concentrates oxygen and therefore supports life on earth. That our planet is sitting in a solar system with planets all rotating\n        around the sun - sitting within the sun’s magnetic field and that field is like an onion with rings of magnetism and the planets run around on\n        those rings and of course beyond that we have stars and our sun is a star and then we have billions of stars in our galaxy and beyond this we have\n        billions of galaxies.
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So the reality of where we are living is that we have this star realm, the planet realm, the atmosphere and then we have the earth.
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So he says that there are 4 great dimensions that exist. Steiner says that all these four realms work in towards us - because all the stars are beaming\n        ‘forces’ at us … like when we learn that there are as many stars in the sky as there are grains of sand on the planet - that we can have\n        an image that we are living in the middle of an energetic hologram and that these stars have been beaming forces at us for billions of years constantly\n        and where we are - we are held by this ocean of energy - and the sun within our solar system organises its own things and the planets organise\n        their own things.
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What Steiner says is that he uses Hindu lore saying that the star realm is ‘spirit’ - for the planetary realm he called ‘astral’ - for the atmosphere\n        ‘etheric’ and the physical he called the ‘physical’.
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So the 4 kingdoms of nature use those four ‘activities’ in increasing complexity - so the mineral kingdom is just the physical body and the plant kingdom\n        has this growth and light so it includes the atmosphere and then the animal kingdom has movement and some degree of consciousness - which brings\n        in the astral planetary sphere - and finally we humans bring in the star qualities and show up as our self consciousness.
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Glen goes on to say that basically we are looking at everything as being a manifestation of just those 4 things. That when we bring this into balance\n        we have health and if there is any imbalance within any of those 4 activities - we have ill health.
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He says it’s a fairly simple game … but it is based on reality - the planets are real - the stars are real ....
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Holons
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Also mentioned were holons and we are nested holons in our planets biosphere and it is nested in the solar system which is nested in the galactic
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And we have organs that are made of cells and the cells go down to molecules to the atomic and subatomic - that everything is integrated from the microcosm to the microcosm.        
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His Website has more detail. http://garudabd.org/        
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Periodic Table of Elements
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The Periodic Table of Chemical Elements that we have today that goes back to the so called enlightenment the 16 century- and its rectangular shaped\n        and is put together in so called family groups of elements. That there are 8 major groups of elements, then there are 10 groups of trace elements\n        and then 14 groups of rare earth elements and in each family there is 7 layers some have elements in those manifest and other layers don’t. Now,\n        Glenn has been studying soil science as part of agriculture - and you go down to where everything is atoms and atoms are these spherical balls\n        of energetic activity.
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Toroidal Spherical Form
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Once something moves it starts to spin and it polarises and it creates this sort of toroidal form that has become quite common and the toroidal form\n        is the pattern of existence - a sphere - everything is a sphere.
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We all have our energetic activity around us - so we are an energetic sphere or field and planets have an energetic sphere and everything is an energetic\n        sphere - so when we are talking about chemistry and we are looking at this rectangular pattern and we think of an element, for example like calcium.
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So what we have to do is create in our mind this nucleus with so many protons and neutrons and then two or three rings of electrons and some of those\n        rings are not full - they can take more electrons - this becomes the basis of the interaction of the element. If a ring is not full it will go\n        on to jump on to some other element to fill that energy lack and this is how we get the chemical interactions. So it is really an interplay of\n        spheres - so we are forever making an adjustment between the rectangle and the sphere - and to many it is one of the hurdles of coming to grips\n        with chemistry.
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Why not draw this up as a Sphere?
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So Glen thought - why don’t we draw this up as a sphere - but first of all why not start with a circle and start from there and the above three groups\n        - the majors, the tracers and the rare earth - so they are different numbers.
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So when we listen to music and Glens background in astrology informs us as well because in an astrology chart we have these different angular relationships\n        - we might call them 30 degree relationships - 45 degree relationships and 72 degree relationships between the planets - and he says that gives\n        you the idea as in music that there is a 3rd harmonic and 4th harmonic and a 5th harmonic - and just as the 4th in music is discordant - where\n        as the 3rd is harmonious and friendly - so that’s what happened between the planets. So in chemistry there is a 4th harmonic in the major elements\n        - because there is 8 of them. There is a 5th harmonic with the trace elements- so this gave Glen the impression that they were different - they\n        were running on these different sort of harmonics as it were - frequencies- so he could see them as groups and if we start to get this idea that\n        everything is a sphere and therefore a circle is one 360 degree slice of a sphere- so we get that the circles resonate with the spheres - he says\n        this is quite an important thought (come back to this later)
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That every circle resonates with everything in creation. But in the development of the chemistry (it was well) we’ve got these three groups\n        of elements and they can all be put on an individual sphere. Glen goes on to say what happens when we put something on a circle, that what we know\n        in astrology is that we start getting these angular relationships - elements set opposite each other - they set at a 90 degree angle to each other-\n        a 30 degree angle to each other- so what starts to happen when we put things on a circle we start to see relationships between the elements that\n        aren't obvious in the rectangle. One of the classics in this is phosphorus and potassium set opposite to each other -are seen on a circle and in\n        agriculture this is one of our greatest issues - that originally when settlers started farming here - they realised they lacked phosphorous, so\n        along came superphosphate - which in itself is a very good fertiliser and they piled the phosphorus in, but then they realised the potassium was\n        not active - and so they thought to then just pile in the potassium - and so along comes potassium phosphate, potassium chloride and they piled\n        that in and then all of a sudden they realised that they were locking up all the calcium in the phosphorus.
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So this is one of the biggest dilemmas in modern agriculture, especially in NZ is that we have this excess of potassium and although the calcium and\n        the phosphorus is sitting there in the soil - it won’t be released.
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Then once Glen did his circular periodic table it became very clear that it was this excess of potassium that was blocking all of the phosphorus. So\n        he made up a product that would suppress the potassium and all of a sudden out comes all of the phosphorus and then the calcium comes out a little\n        bit later.
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He said that these chemical relationships start to become very obvious once you see them in a circle.. He further states that once we have all these\n        3 different groups of elements on a circle - then we can put them on top of each other. Then instantly we can see which trace elements have a particular\n        relationship to the major elements - so that there is an interrelationship between all these elements that is impossible to see on a rectangular\n        pattern. So the rectangular pattern does not work, and is not real - because chemistry does not organise to a rectangle - it organises according\n        to spheres . As in atoms …
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Tim mentions that Pythagoras 2,500 year ago in Greece said that when we still ourselves and meditate it was possible to ‘hear the music of the spheres.’\n        That the planets each have a different musical note, because each one is a different size with a different rotational speed - hence they each give\n        off a distinct pitch or tone. So in truth - the music of the spheres.
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The Circle shows the Pros and Cons of the Table of Elements
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Huge areas of land in NZ are locked up because of cadmium - coming via the phosphate fertiliser - and cadmium is in the same family as mercury and\n        zinc. That zinc as an element he says when sited on the circle is very prominent and sits very close to helping the etheric or\n        the life processes work into the physical body. Saying we also know that zinc is a primary element that helps with fertility of plants and people.\n        It is a primary health element. He says if you lift up the cadmium or mercury in an environment then it is going to debilitate the zinc and once\n        this happens, it also immobilises the opposite element - which is manganese and there is an interrelationship between the two-and manganese shows\n        up in good seed development - that for plants to fully reach the end of their life they have to have good manganese up-take - so the zinc and manganese\n        interplay in this fertility expression.
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So by upping the mercury and cadmium it knocks out the basic fertility process.
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Glen says that where he is living (he has recently shifted there) that it has 10 times the amount of phosphate in the soil that it should. That it\n        causes trouble and it affects and debilitates many of the other elements.
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That farms with high levels of potassium used to balance out the phosphate in the soil results in all sorts of knock on effect and the metabolic dysfunction\n        has cows pooping liquid feces and that is not good. For the cow is not 100% healthy and the soil and groundwater is affected too. Too much potassium\n        is very problematic.
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He said the various knock on effects are such that it is now not uncommon for farms to have 25% of cows not being able to get pregnant. The costs build\n        up when the veterinarian has to come out every day to artificially inseminate the cows.
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Regenerative Farming is very sound for Ecology and Animal Health.
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Regenerative farming came up - where it is a fast growing farming practice across NZ and does not have any chemical input. Glen says that in the area\n        he lives in around Waipukurau there are a lot of sheep and beef farms that have not been able to afford to put on chemical fertilisers (that destroy the soil)\n        and so regenerative and biological farming is becoming a growth industry.
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He said that other than some thistle sprays and some weed drenching - the beef and sheep industry are moving a lot closer to organics now.        
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Also covered in this interview was the amount of urea that is being put on NZ farms too.
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Huge amounts of urea being used on farms. 
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It is common that farmers can put up to 450 kilograms of water soluble nitrogen on the paddocks per year and this had Dr Mike Joy state.
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/mike-joy-nz-ecological-voice-for-waterways-ecology
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/dr-mike-joy-the-true-story-of-new-zealands-ecological-status        
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\n        That farms can run efficiently and actually do ok with only 35 kgs of soluble nitrogen per farm. He cautions too about ammonium sulphate on\n        the soil, it kills all the worms and at that point cow dung will not break down - sitting there for months on end and that stops the grass growing\n        …
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Listen to this as Glen gives a good understanding of what happens at the back end of cows … 
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Farmers caught in a quandary that they have to let go of. 
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Hear of the dilemma around farms having shares in fertiliser companies - from which they gain a financial return, but with ‘over fertilising’ killing\n        the soils and the micro organisms - other farmers are being impelled to move to low input biological and regenerative farming that doesn’t use\n        these fertilisers.
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OTHER subjects covered:
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Listen to Glen talk about the profundity of a circleTo the circle on the shady side of trees, on Bach flowers remedies. It’s all very profound.
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Glen talks about corruption and psychopaths that we have embedded in the economic system and it is everywhere at all levels of society. That this has\n        to be addressed.
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About bacteria that bury into rocks. That soil microorganisms, the bacteria and fungi are so important for healthy land management and a vibrant biosphere.
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He mentions the NZ family company Bostock nzOne of the largest organic producers of apples in the Southern hemisphere. It’s in the Hawkes Bay the area\n        where Glen lives and he says it is a growing organic and GE Free area - but there is still a large amount of spray usage today. :(
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Glen says back in the 60’s and 70s we did not have the organic knowledge and track record- but now we do. That NZ can really become a food producer\n        of the highest organic standards and it’s a win win win for all.
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Have we the will to bring about positive change?This is the question. Glen said that he is more than happy to be part of this regenerative        renaissance here in NZ.
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Glen is presently looking at fungal control - lime sulphur a chemical is sprayed for black spot but it curtails photosynthesis for that plant and it's\n        still a big problem in organic fruit, like grapes and stone fruit. He is having success with powdery mildew and various fruit rot. So he is still\n        experimenting with organic ways to bring balance into combatting different dis-eases.He is having some successes.
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Glyphosate spraying is now rampant throughout NZ Agriculture.
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In the last few minutes of this interview I ask him why there are large paddocks in many areas of NZ that are orange in colour and stand out like proverbial\n        - marigold fields? This is when Glen let’s go. 
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Farmers are spraying their crops and land with Monsanto’s poison - glyphosate. It’s everywhere - it is a crime against humanity and a crime against\n        nature. Listen to these last final moments of this interview. I mention here to Glen, that I have broached this subject with Steffan\n        Browning the ex Green Member of Parliament - who in my estimations was the 'most courageous' MP in Parliament, but the timid Green Party took his\n        portfolios away from him and since retiring, (because the Greens would not hold his back) being outside Parliament, there are far fewer options. 
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Please take the time to listen to these last few moments where he and I rip into the upper reaches of the Farming organisations that allows this wanton destruction of the NZ environment.        This is imperative to really reveal the lies and corruption that is going on in NZ that is totally sabotaging and destroying NZ's already tarnished\n        image of a clean green country. Please - make the effort to listen and then network it to friends, associates and others. 
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https://winewaterwatch.org/2018/02/roundups-toxic-chemical-glyphosate-found-in-100-of-california-wines-tested/\n        
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In finishing. I will have to get Glen back on radio very soon,  because there were a few questions that I needed to ask\n    him - which focus on the first 1/3 of the interview. (I was not alert enough). Regarding the tying in of forces affecting humans, plus to\n    ask him to more easily explain Circles and their relationship with Squares. Such as that ‘within a sphere you can place a cube’ and that ‘within that\n    cube you can place a sphere’ - down - Ad infinitum- Just like the nesting Russian dolls, babushka.\n    
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https://legasea.co.nz 
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For decades he through his superb communication skills has brought together many local and seaside people across NZ to organise and come together - including\n    Maori (mana whenua) - to advocate and campaign to ‘our' NZ government and the fishing industry for a more fairer deal for all people who love to fish.
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This has in many ways become a battle for the soul of New Zealand’s vast fisheries. 
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The Supportive Players
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NZ Angling and Casting Association NZ Underwater Association Yachting NZPlus many other clubs that are not affiliated to the sport fishing council - likeThe\n    Outboard Boating Club of Auckland. 
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Since the time of Maori and over the last 250 years with the coming of the European the ability to catch fish off the seashore or in a small boat and bring\n    home food for the family to eat and surplus for neighbours was just a standard neighbourly thing to do. But, Scott says that 'sharing of ones catch\n    is a primary source of self esteem and self worth.'
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Saying that this has an important part to play in our mental health as well. Of being part of a community and the sharing of goodwill. 
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A local Ngāpuhi friend (from Northland) calls taking a bin full of fish to his neighbours as a ‘maximum mana enhancement’ - a situation when driving home\n    after fishing to be able to stop and knock on the door of a kuia and a kaumatua ( wise elder woman leader and wiseman elder leader) - offering them\n    the opportunity to acknowledgement that elder in the spirit of goodwill. A fish (ika) and a gift (taonga) - Scott said he can not over emphasise this\n    cultural importance. 
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Today this is continued in a very innovative and sharing way https://kaiika.co.nz and https://www.freefishheads.co.nz
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This is a sharing and contribution to allow people to receive a fish head or frame that still has a lot of flesh on it, and utilise it for food and a means\n    to not waste any part of the fish.
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Called the trifecta of respect … 
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Respect for the animal - the fish that has given its life - respect for community and fellow man and … self respect and acknowledging that you have\n    done the right thing.
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This cooperative initiative is making headway - and over 60,000 kilograms of heads and frames have found their way to homes that want fresh protein 
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Scott says kudos goes to the Auckland Outdoor Boat Club for being the pilot for this to come into being and taking it seriously whilst committing significant\n    resources to allow this to happen. https://www.obc.co.nz/ 
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He also gives thanks to the Papatuanuku Kokiri Marae Whanau in Mangere, Auckland who’ve made many 100’s of collection trips to make this happen by distributing\n    to families who really appreciate fish heads and need it as the health giving properties of fresh ocean fish are so beneficial. 
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https://kaiika.co.nz/marae-on-a-mission-reconnecting-the-community-to-healthy-food/    
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Educating, Learning and Knowing
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Scott says - 'you do not manage fisheries - you manage people’ and to have them better understand what’s at stake and contemplate and consider shifting\n    their attitudes, expectations and behaviours. He says if that is the measure of success - then he feels very comfortable where LegaSea has evolved\n    to on that side of the ledger. 
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Connecting with the wider community where food, health and goodwill combine together.
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Scott acknowledges the leaders of the Ngāpuhi and Ngāti Whātua, Ngāti Kahu, Ngāti Kuri and Ngātiwai who have so generously shared their accumulated knowledge,\n    their Mātauranga (can be defined as 'the knowledge, comprehension, or understanding of everything visible and invisible existing in the universe',\n    and is often used synonymously with wisdom - over numerous generations. 
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They have taken Scott and friends into their houses - whare and onto their marae - meeting area - over 20 times for overnight stays and 30 to 40 times\n    at specific hui’s or meetings. 
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They have taken Tauiwi – (people coming from afar) into the Maori realms or the phenomena of Manaakitanga (hospitality), Kaitiakitanga (guardianship and\n    protection) and Rangatiratanga (often translated as 'self-determination or sovereignty). These being value systems that drive Te ao Maori (the Maori\n    world view)
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That only when one grasps the fundamentals of feeding of the visitor - to manaaki manuhiri - the obligation to take care of guests, do we deepen our understanding.\n    ... listen 
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All of this effort is driven by a sense of rangitiratanga - an aspiration to lead by example based on inherited knowledge ..
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Scott said he is running with this statement - because he and the LegaSea crew are totally committed to restoring abundance of fish in our seas and ensuring\n    future generations get a fair go.
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Stating emphatically - There is no conflict in abundance. 
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The NZ Quota Management Fishing System
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Scott now turns his attention to the NZ Fish Stock Quota System that is creating total havoc within our fisheries.
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And he mentions that he is hardening up the language in relationship to this kaupapa - ( topic, policy, matter for discussion, plan, purpose, scheme, proposal,\n    agenda, subject, programme, theme, issue, initiative.) 
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As this present unsustainable fishing program that is overseen by the NZ Government - is leading us all in a race to the bottom.
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That we in NZ have somehow or another - sold the lie to the rest of the world that we have some-how the best, world leading fisheries management system\n    - has to be seen for what it is - a gigantic lie.
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He said we are on the way to an unavoidable end game ... 
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Sustainable Depletion - how can we take as much as possible yet still just keep enough fish in the water until next year?
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Our hapuka and bass are gone
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Our trevali are decimated 
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Our John Dory, Gurnard and Tarakihi stocks are ridiculously over allocated and yet, unable to be caught. 
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Deploying Destructive Extraction Technologies 
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Fishing boats are using the most sophisticated technology that man can devise - with the incredible power of GPS and sonar and military technologies that\n    have been modified and co-opted and used to catch fish by industrial bulk harvesting, indiscriminately. -
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He states this is unacceptable.
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Trawling technologies seining and dredging especially the trashing of the underwater environment by dragging nets and bottom trawling - scooping up all\n    kinds of sea life. This is destroying coral and other three dimensional elemental ecological life forms growing on the sea bed - in a swath of waste\n    and destruction across huge areas of the sea floor. (Much like how they do it is tropical rainforests with giant chains pulled between massive bulldozers,\n    levelling everything in between).
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Then the net is all pulled in and suddenly it's all over - everything is crushed - shattered - nobody is there to count or mourn the loss of mega billions\n    of tiny little underwater creatures - never to see there life out where they are.
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Property Rights
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Scott says it's because the industry sees property rights is the only way to go. Enabling industry to make decisions - have ‘happy' business - small government\n    - let the market take care of big decisions, everything will be good in the water garden - what a lot of … Listen ...
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Global Commons
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Tim brought up the words 'global commons' - that oceans actually are part of the global commons - owned by the people - with no one person having ownership\n    of everything. The atmosphere is too plus Antarctica and Space. 
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The Legal Legasea Fightback
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Scott said Legasea has come about over a number of decades - as a result of having put in high quality submissions to Government - including legal submissions\n    to the High Court the Appeal Court and Supreme Court - where the courts agreed with them and their interpretation of the Law. Listen
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Legasea’s aim: To take the rights of the sea first and not property rights that the fishing industry covets.
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And no matter what Scott and the small guys did to share the abundance and bounty of the ocean - they came up against the same obstacle - this intransigent\n    monopolist, industrial fishing machine.
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A hand full of families - that have been granted at no charge the property rights - the quota from back in 1986 - (during the Rogernomics experiment) and\n    more recently Mana whenua - Listen
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Within NZ vast fishery area - the 4th largest on earth are over 600 different fisheries spanning 90 plus species - many that are never seen as they are\n    deep water varieties. 
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He states that under the present regime that property rights are failing globally - so Legasea have developed an alternative system called 'rescue fish.’
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He believes that this system has the certainty of rebuilding abundance, creating a healthy inshore commercial fishing fleet, whanau (family) businesses\n    small scale - ‘know your fisherman’ This is going to be the ‘catch cry' - he says you have read it here first. 
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Know your fisherman - know how that fisherman goes about catching that fish, where, how etc - know what regulations that he must fulfil and then buy that\n    fish of them - and set up a relationship.
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It also means that there will be a debt to the government as we will have to buy our own fish back - to buy out of this unfair 'quota management system.'\n    Listen
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He also talks to Manuwhenua - and to get them in a far stronger and equitable situation - again - back to the Treaty of Waitangi https://teara.govt.nz/en/treaty-of-waitangi/page-1 - and build up some goodwill. At the very least give them the real rangatiratanga\n    that they never secured under the existing settlement arrangement.Listen
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Also Scott talks about having a 50% biomass of fish - this translates to there is always 50% of the fish of every species in the ocean. Present fishing\n    systems are leaving a far lower % of fish in the water hence it is totally non sustainable leading to eventual collapse - Listen
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Rahui, Rahui, Rahui,To put in place a temporary ritual prohibition, closed season, ban, reserve - traditionally a rāhui can be placed on an area, resource\n    or stretch of water as a conservation measure. 
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Working Alongside MaoriScott talks of the privilege of staying at a Marae in Waimate North in the Bay of Islands where Ngapuhi are going to do fish management\n    in a far more holistic way - around sharing the abundance … Listen.
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To re-emphasise The quota management system - has failed us - having been based on property rights - that NZ was the first country on earth to do this\n    and it is a failing system for 99% of the country and the people.
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By definition it was an experiment - where the corporates ‘cleaned up!
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The quota management system is owned by a dozen entities - who are monopolists and they are maximising the ownership and access rights.
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(Tim here - Sadly far to much to write up - you will have to listen - astonishing stuff).
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Scott tells about the infamous 1990 amendment where no select committee, no proper democratic process through Parliament - very dodgy MP Doug Kidd of the\n    National Party said that the Legislation was a disgrace for Democracy …
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Quotas today - they are paying over a million dollars a tonne for the right to harvest 1000 kilos of crayfish per annum.
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Now there is also the conflict due to the falling of numbers of Maui dolphin and nets been used and it is really sad and messy - Listen. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1518731841601174/?fref=nf 
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Plus the weird marriage with the WWF with Stanfords and Moana fisheries - with a rescue plan based on more snapper quota …https://www.worldwildlife.org 
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Start Anew. We have to start all over again. 
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He says delete ‘quotas’ and go back to square one and a blank piece of paper and start again - ask what do we as a society really want?
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He says we want responsible people catching fish with a maximum respect - treating every fish in order to achieve maximum value - no more dumping over\n    the side, no more discarding because it was the wrong fish as required by the quota - we want to see fisherman proud of the cameras on board to record\n    the harvest - as well as around the ‘restraints' because its is all about goodwill. Listen
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Legacy wanting significant resourcing in the people - simple kaupapa (policy, matter for discussion, plan, purpose, scheme, proposal, agenda, subject,\n    programme, theme, issue, initiative.)
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No profit in this - just restored abundance and a fair go for future generations. 
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Controlling the GameAbout 10 families for over 50 years they have been plundering the fishery, at no charge, no resource rental, they are given 400,000\n    tonnes of fish a year from the NZ commons - there is no resource rentals, 
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They pay a minimal cost recovery levy and for research that tilts the data more in their favour to take more fish as against reducing the take. 
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Note: Having industry pay for their own research is always slanted in industries favour e.g Genetic modified foods, glyphosate and 5G wireless - so that\n    it has to be always mandated to have ‘independent research.’
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He encourages us all to join Legacy so as to support the ordinary fisher folk against the might of big money of the fishing cartel. 
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Finally - join a club - any club - this is where you can meet people from other walks of life and learn more about society and of the various strands that\n    connect across a broad swathe of the community and society as a whole. Become more knowing. 
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If you are really capable - join a committee and work for the benefit of a greater organisation or greater whole.
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There are very few people in NZ if any who have such a command of communication and knowledge of fishing stocks than Scott Macindoe.
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This superb interview of him gives you faith in the future of this country.
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https://legasea.co.nz 
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This is it until next year, where 2020 vision offers us the opportunity to re-envision where we as a human species - can create and shape a future. A conscious\n    future that benefits all biota and children and grandchildren of tomorrow. This is what we hold dear to ourselves. 
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Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from us all at GreenplanetFM.com in Auckland - tucked away around the curve in the South West Pacific\n    in Aotearoa New Zealand - just 4 and a half hours from Antarctica, the vast ‘global commons’ that no country or person owns. 
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Kia kaha and Aroha. 
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Cannabidiol (CBD) is non intoxicating and is safe to use, yet it is heavily regulated, unnecessarily expensive, and there is much prejudice from lack of\n    knowledge about this product.
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How it can become more easily accessible in New Zealand may be centred around whether it ends up becoming regulated as a food or as a medicine, and the\n    results of the upcoming referendum.\n    
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In this informative interview, Tadhg speaks in depth about this, the history of cannabis, the extensive uses of hemp, and medical cannabis.
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Tadhg asks:
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Are you concerned about the state of the world? I am.
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 Lord Rutherford, (atom splitter), said that \"we don't have money, so we have to think\". It's time that we did that, because the status quo is failing.\n    So, what do we need, and how do we get it?
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A wealthy society needs good food, fibre/chemical feedstock, and medicine.
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Imagine getting all of that from one plant, and it all being of the best quality. 
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That's the kind of crop we need in a climate changing world, a sustainable competitor to the petro-chemical and pharmaceutical industries.
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Its curious to note, that despite Hemp offering us these gifts, it is that rare thing; a prohibited plant. 
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In NZ and much of the world, hemp is only able to be grown under strict conditions, and farmers usually struggle against hostile bureaucrats. In Canada,\n    for example, farmers were prevented from selling fifty two billion dollars worth of hemp products over the last twenty years. The same practices exist\n    here in NZ.
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But Hemp is so useful, that it was a crime not to grow it in both Britain and the USA. In fact, you could even pay US taxes in hemp. Hemp was as good as\n    gold, and used to make everything from dollar bills to the US Declaration of Independence (both Washington and Jefferson were Hemp farmers).
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Hemp clothes are tougher and more breathable than cotton, and anti-bacterial too. (Hemp does not require the water and pesticides of cotton either).
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\n    Hemp makes breathable fireproof building materials, superconductors, plastics, fuels, and produces four times the cellulose of pine in only six months.
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Hemp nut foods are better than anything else nutritionally. 30% digestible protein, all Omegas (3, 6, 9) and aminos, with Calcium, Magnesium and other\n    essential elements in unusually generous quantities.
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Most Renaissance painting was done on hemp, and with hemp paint. empen paints, hemp plastics, hemp medicines, the basis of Imperial power for millennia,\n    and then imagine it being prohibited on the irrational grounds that hemp is a dangerous narcotic that causes interracial rape and murder.\n    
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The removal of this premier sustainable product left world markets open for the petro-chemical and pharmaceutical industries. 
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 Despite written records of its medicinal use dating back 4,750 years, (including fifty years where it was a major European/US medicine), the modern medical\n    system seems strangely opposed to the notion of hemp medicine.
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This is especially curious given that hemp is full of 'our bodies own medicine'.
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To clarify, Hemp contains molecules called 'cannabinoids', and so do we.
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In our body we make 'endocannabinoids' (endo means 'inside'). 
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 We are cellular beings, and for six hundred million years these molecules have been natures standard means for information exchange at the cellular level.\n    
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 They are 'signalling metabolites', like essential little e-mails inside us.
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Without them, we cannot maintain normal function/health. Without them, we die.
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That's why hemp is connected with a ludicrous array of therapeutic effects. Not because it's a magic hippy thing, but because the plant contains analogues\n    of the molecules we make and need to maintain 'homeostasis', or balance/normal function.
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So when we use hemp properly, as a food, we are supporting our bodies ability to maintain its own health through our cannabinoid system of G-Protein Coupled\n    Receptors.\n    
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Its interesting to note that GPCRs are 'highly responsive to nutrition', that medical schools do not teach nutrition, and that medical schools do not teach\n    about GPCRs-despite them being our mechanism of health regulation and protection.
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'Medical cannabis' is a bit of a swindle, because all we really need to improve health outcomes is to return hemp to the food web and markets.\n    
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You can see the impact non-advertised legal hemp flower has had on medicine sales in Italy here 
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https://www.york.ac.uk/media/economics/documents/hedg/workingpapers/1907.pdf    
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Italian medicine sales are down everywhere, and by 11% in some categories.
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This is why. Here are seven of the 140+ plant cannabinoids, and their proven effects.
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Niccolo Machiavelli said that \"there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a\n    new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order.\" But we all know that the current order of things is destroying\n    our habitat and creating an authoritarian corporate neo-feudalism. To change this we must increase our economic sovereignty and environmental sustainability.\n    The premier natural resource for achieving this is industrial hemp, but to get it we must understand it and demand better from our politicians.\n    
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The Hemp Foundation - www.thehempfoundation.org.nz 
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Community Notices re 5g:\n    
 
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'5G Technology on Health and the Environment'\n    
Lecture by Professor Dariusz Leszczynski\n    
6:30pm Tuesday 19th November\n    
Auckland University Library Lecture Theatre B15\n    
Princes St and Alfred St corner (Building 109) across from Albert Park\n    
Doors open 6:00pm. Donations towards costs gratefully received.
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Prof Leszczynski will also be speaking in:
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Hawkes Bay Sun 24 Nov
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Wellington Weds 27 Nov
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Nelson Fri 29 Nov.
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What is known about the potential cumulative long term exposure to untested 5G technology? What does the science tell us?
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Does this require invocation of the precautionary principle until it can be proven safe? 
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Leszczynski, is a leading International expert on Electromagnetic Bioeffects Research, who will present the Pros and Cons of 5G Technology in the academic\n    arena. It is a rare opportunity for the NZ public to have informed debate on the issue.\n    
 
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We need to raise more money for Prof Leszczynski’s tour.
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You can help at the Givealittle page - 
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https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/help-bring-a-world-5g-expert-to-nz-in-november    
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You may also like to sign our 5G petition asking for the precautionary principle until 5G is proven safe.
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https://www.toko.org.nz/petitions/precautionary-principle-for-5g-in-aotearoa-1\n    
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If you have a hot jug, fan heater, hairdryer, juicer, toaster, vacuum cleaner and other consumer white ware - with a bit of luck you may get two to three\n    year’s life out of them - and then they are off to the landfill.\n    
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This interview of Rex Weyler, is one of the original Greenpeace activists - when it was more a volunteer organisation - and they were true Rainbow Warriors\n    - tells of the continuous battle on bringing humankind to become accountable and responsible for the wanton abuse and use of the earth’s critical resources.\n    
 
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This below is Rex’s most recent article ‘It's a waste world’ that was printed in Greenpeace Magazine https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/23747/its-a-waste-world/\n    
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It's a waste world
A popular bumper sticker in the United States – typically seen on large vehicles, with giant wheels and vibrating chrome muffler pipes – reads: “My\n    carbon footprint is bigger than yours.” This appears as a banner for the culture of extravagant indulgence. And wherever consumption is encouraged\n    and admired, waste follows.
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The world’s rich cultures are all wasteful, and not just because of excessive fossil fuel use. Even our modern electronic devices represent a massive waste\n    stream. Last year, electronic waste reached an all-time record of 65 million tonnes.
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Planned Obsolescence
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Used bulb lamps collected by Greenpeace volunteers during the clean up at Bokor Island conservation area on Thousand Islands. © Dhemas Reviyanto /\n    Greenpeace
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Even modern LED light bulbs, for example, do not last as long as incandescent bulbs made a century ago. One carbon filament light bulb, at a fire station in Livermore, California, is still burning continuously after 120 years. Building\n    things that last, and consuming modestly, used to be common human values. But that all changed with the advent of contemporary business models and\n    modern marketing.
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In 1924, three companies – Dutch Philips, German Osram, and US General Electric – formed a cartel, Phoebus, to shorten the life of light bulbs. Making\n    light bulbs that could last 100 years limited their sales growth. They agreed on a thousand-hour standard, about three or four months of normal use,\n    the historic beginning of planned obsolescence.
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During World War I, the U.S. Treasury Department launched a frugality campaign to save resources for the war effort. Merchants, however, opposed the initiative.\n    According to Giles Slade in Made to Break, US stores displayed\n    signs such as, “Beware of Thrift,” and “Business as Usual.” New York retailers formed the “National Prosperity Committee,” with slogans like, “Full\n    Speed Ahead!” and “Clear the Track for Prosperity!”
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During the global economic depression in 1932, New York manufacturers circulated a pamphlet: “Ending the Depression through Planned Obsolescence,” the\n    first known printed use of this phrase. An article in Printer’s Ink journal warned that the idea of durability was “outmoded,” claiming that, “If merchandise\n    does not wear out faster, factories will be idle, people unemployed.” Paul Mazur, a partner at Lehman Brothers, declared that obsolescence, designing products to fail or wear out, was the “new god” of business philosophy.
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In 1950s America, advertising firms learned that they could sell products not based on function, quality, or durability, but on novelty. Products were\n    sold as “new,” “modern,” and “innovative,” whether or not the “innovations” offered any genuine value. The throwaway fashion industry was born on the\n    notion that clothing “styles” allegedly changed every year, and that to appear “modern,” one must repeatedly buy new clothing. Ad agencies convinced\n    popular journals to publish fashion sections to inform, or manipulate, the public regarding the latest styles.
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Thus, the idea of well-made, durable products died away in rich nations, replaced by products that break, wear out, become obsolete, or go out of fashion.\n    This trend has now seized the modern electronics industry.
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E-waste and the cost of high tech
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A small child sitting among cables and e-waste in Guiyu, China © Greenpeace / Natalie Behring
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Since the 1980s, computers and electronic devices have made lives in rich countries more convenient and entertaining. Some observers expected that modern\n    electronics would also make society more “efficient,” that computers would save paper and other resources. Those hopes, however, encountered what is\n    known in economics as the “rebound effect“:\n    Efficiency often leads to more resource use, not less. Human enterprise now uses six times more paper than we used at the dawn of the computer age,\n    six times more lithium, five times more cobalt, more iron, copper, and more rare earth metals.
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Mining for these minerals tends to be ecologically destructive\n    and exploitive of human labourers.\n    Due to increasing demand and low rates of electronics recycling, mining companies are now proposing strip mines on the ocean floor, a practice that\n    ocean biologists say would permanently damage    unique and biodiverse ocean ecosystems.
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As computer chips got smaller, more powerful, and more energy efficient, the material and energy intensity of those chips increased exponentially. Since\n    our computers require so little energy to operate, we may believe they are “efficient,” but we are measuring the wrong metric. To understand the high\n    cost of high tech, we must consider the embodied energy built into our devices, our telecom infrastructure, server networks, and data centres. We also\n    have to consider the sheer growth of consumption and the acceleration of waste.
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According to Statisa, about 4\n    million cell phones are sold every day, over 1.5 billion per year. About 250 million computers are sold each year. The average lifetime of these devices\n    is now about two and a half years. Manufacturers design in obsolescence, changing critical parts and marketing more fashionable, “improved” devices.\n    We may marvel at social media and connectivity, but this level of consumption leaves behind a massive, toxic, and destructive waste stream.
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Discarded computer monitor casings in a lagoon in Ghana. © Greenpeace / Kate Davison
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Apple Corporation has become notorious for designing smartphones, tablets, and laptops that are difficult to repair or upgrade. These policies are not\n    an accident or a necessity of technological advance. They are marketing decisions, designed specifically, like the three-month light bulb, to sell\n    more products.
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Between June 29, 2007 and November 3, 2017, Apple introduced 14 new iPhone models, one every 37 weeks. The company stopped supporting the first generation\n    phones within three years, and continues to make previous phones obsolete and unsupported.
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According to Jason Koebler at Motherboard, “Apple is trying to kill legislation that would make it easier for normal people to fix iPhones.” Apple designs products\n    with proprietary parts that cannot be easily repaired and the company has actively lobbied against right-to-repair legislation in the US. According\n    to a Repair.org study, both Apple and Sony have blocked environmental electronics standards\n    that would support repair, upgrade, and recycling.
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However, Apple Corporation is not alone. According to a 2017 Greenpeace report,\n    other consumer electronics companies are lagging far behind. Although Apple has made progress in the use of renewable energy they are “moving in the\n    wrong direction,” along with Microsoft and Samsung, by shortening the useful life of devices. Samsung, Amazon, Oppo, Vivo, and Xiaomi receive failing\n    grades in every category, using toxic chemicals and dirty energy, making short-lived products that are difficult to recycle, and hiding the data about\n    their practices. On the other hand, HP, Dell, and Fairphone are leaders in producing products that are repairable and upgradable.
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Electronic waste has now reached over 65 million tonnes per year. Computers, screens, and small hand devices comprise about 22% of that waste, 14 million\n    tonnes annually. According to a 2014 UN Report,\n    Europe produced the highest per-capita electronic waste, over 15 kilograms per person every year. Asia generated the most e-waste, 16 million metric\n    tonnes, followed by the Americas, 11.7 million tonnes per year. Since 2014 those volumes have increase by about 50%.
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System Change
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As with most of our ecological challenges, there are solutions, but the response requires more than marginal change. According to Deishin Lee, at MIT’s Sloan School of Management, “most waste is generated on purpose,” built into modern business models. Lee\n    criticizes “output-oriented,” production systems that only consider the product. “Every output-oriented process,” she writes, “is designed to produce\n    waste.” We can overcome this by shifting to input-oriented production, considering the value of all resources, how to conserve, and how to use resources\n    effectively, with a minimum of waste.
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Smartphone repair © RIcardo Padilla Roman / Greenpeace
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Economist Tim Cooper, at Nottingham Trent University believes that a transformation away from planned obsolescence will require a “radical, systemic change.”\n    In his book, “Longer Lasting Products,” Cooper suggests the change could be accomplish with economic policies to encourage minimum standards\n    of durability, repairability, and upgradeability.
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Quality goods, robust repair-and-servicing, and secondhand markets would result in more jobs and more economic activity for a given amount of resources.\n    Cooper calculates that when consumers spend less on throwaway products, they will spend more for other services and investments.
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In “Culture of Waste,” Julian Cribb, a fellow of the Australian Academy\n    of Technological Sciences and Engineering, describes how we could reverse the trends toward food waste with government regulation to limit wasteful\n    practices, full-cost pricing and taxing, subsidies for good stewardship production, and with education. The 2017, Greenpeace Report, advocates similar actions to create closed loop, circular production, beginning at the design stage, with all\n    companies required to design recyclable parts, easy repair, and a take-back program for all products.
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Growth swamps efficiency
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Everything we build requires energy. Wasteful practices waste energy. Although we are witnessing an unprecedented effort to develop renewable energy, we\n    are failing to keep pace with growth in demand. Unless we address the growth of human numbers and human enterprise, we are destined for the natural\n    results of ecological overshoot. We also need to phase out fossil fuels and redouble efforts to build renewable energy infrastructure.
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The following chart – prepared by Canadian energy engineer David Hughes, using data from the 2019 BP Energy Review – shows the annual growth in renewable energy compared to the annual growth in electricity demand. A great\n    deal of this demand is due to wasteful manufacturing and sales practices. Two-thirds of the growth is met with fossil fuels. Furthermore, this only\n    accounts for electricity. 83% of the world’s energy consumption is non-electric.
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The only year that renewable energy growth exceeded demand growth occurred in 2009 during an economic recession. This chart reveals two critical pieces\n    of our waste and energy challenge: (1) Renewable energy growth is not keeping pace with total energy demand, and (2) The way to turn this around is\n    to end the expectation of endless economic growth. Some companies, such as Fairphone and Patagonia,\n    have business models that account for slowing growth.
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The idea that we should keep businesses growing by creating waste is no longer valid – and never was. We can employ more people by building quality products\n    and repairing them. To reverse the trend of wasteful production, biodiversity collapse, carbon emissions that cause global heating, and general ecological\n    overshoot, humanity has to embrace modest consumption and put an end to the era of extravagant indulgence.
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References and Links
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“E-waste World Map Reveals National Volumes, International Flows,” StEP Initiative, 2013, Quoted in Greenpeace E-Waste report, 2016.
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E-waste: The Escalation of a Global Crisis, TCO certified\n
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\n    \"Made to Break: Technology and Obsolescence in America,” Giles Slade, Harvard University Press,\n    2007; and excerpts at Google Books.
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“A Culture of Waste,” Julian Cribb, Ecology Today, 2012.
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Guide to Greener Electronics 2017, Greenpeace Reports, October\n    17, 2017
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“Overcoming the culture of waste” Deishin Lee, MIT, Sloan School\n    of Management, 2017.
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Power-hungry gadgets endanger energy efficiency gains, review of The International Energy Association analysis, John Timmer, 2009, ARS Technica.
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The Global E-waste Monitor, 2014: UN University,\n    2014.
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“Electronic Waste (E-Waste): How Big of a Problem is it?” Rubicon,\n    2018 Facts and Figures on E-Waste and Recycling, Electronics Takeback Coalition, 2014.
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“The monster footprint of digital technology,” Kris de Decker, Low-Tech Magazine,“Electronics\n    Standards Are In Need of Repair,” Mark Schaffer, Repair.org, August 2017.
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“Apple is against your-right to repair i-Phones New York state records confirm,” Jason Koebler, Motherboard,\n    2017.
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“Longer Lasting Products: Alternatives to the Throwaway Society,” Tim Cooper, Gower Books, 2010.
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Culture and Waste: The Creation and Destruction of Value, Edited by Gay Hawkins and Stephen Muecke, Rowman & Littlefield,\n    2002.
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“The L.E.D. Quandary: Why There’s No Such Thing as ‘Built to Last’,” J. B. MacKinnon, New Yorker, 2016.
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“Patagonia’s Anti-growth Strategy,” J.B. MacKinnon, New Yorker,\n    2015.
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What is happening here in NZ?
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Here in NZ we continue with this ‘business as usual’ attitude, superimposed over the whole country. It is ‘taken for granted’ and the NZ Government is\n    basically none the wiser. They just continue to carry on as if everything is normal. The NZ struggle to get recycling more efficient has not been able\n    to get a deposit on soft drink or beer bottles, where once we had them.
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As a kid I used to be continuously walking up and down the main road collecting beer bottles as they were in those days just thrown out the window of cars.\n    At the big rugby games at towns, during the curtain raiser prior to the main game, I was always able to collect enough coke and lemonade bottles to\n    be able to buy a drink and a hot pie and have some change left over. 
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Why has NZ not been able to follow the legislation as in the State of South Australia and in the State of Oregon in the USA. Because, like all the other\n    states in Australia and the USA - business interests in both these countries have overridden prudent ecological policies. Time and time again the breweries\n    and Coke cola with huge financial resources and well paid lawyers - have been able to stop a deposit with regard to recycling - in its tracks. Hence,\n    the throw away mentality is still prevalent in NZ especially with the unconscious male macho way of life. 
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Yet, it could be said that as an extension of the top of this article that stoves, fridges etc don’t last long too too, when compared to how they were\n    built 50 years ago.A person working at a local transfer station north of Auckland said - If it was not for the Warehouse - he would not have a job!\n    (The Bargain was not necessarily a bargain.)
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Some of the other issues talked about in this interview was that big business is still calling the shots.
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One of the issues is that businesses do not look at our planet as a complex living super system. They fail to see the biosphere as a homeostatic, self\n    regulating system of trillions of living creatures that are all delicately balanced and embedded in the web of life.
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Their (very limited) perspective is that they are on ‘a platform’ - that has raw products coming in (they are not interested in where these products come\n    from or how they are extracted or gained) - all they want to do is then push (highly packaged) product out onto the market. It also does not really\n    matter how much pollution they produce in the process - hence various governments world wide - have had to enforce clean air and clean water standards\n    on businesses to force them to comply. This has been an ongoing ‘battle’ for over 100 years.
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There is no thought of ‘nature’ in any business model. Where as in America there is a remarkable treatise on this thought to come from a First Nations\n    ‘Indian’ called Chief Seattle.
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Privatise the Profits and Socialise the Costs - This means putting products or services on the market and if they do not measure up, then society picks\n    up the costs. - Cigarette companies did this with cigarettes. They made money out of selling them but when smokers ended up in hospital beds - especially\n    in countries with ‘free’ hospital care - it was those countries (the taxpayers) that paid to take care and treat those dying patients.
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It was the same when the Wall Street bankers in New York took insane monetary risks back in 2008 whilst still collecting ‘extremely inflated commissions\n    and salaries’ - that they threatened to collapse the whole US and world banking system. That the US Government was then ‘forced’ to bail them out -\n    with the US taxpayer taking the hit. This same mentality is pervasive within the current business world. Privatise the profit and socialise the losses.\n    That there is now such a devastating effect by having to clean up the global environment as a result of business practices that did not factor in a\n    healthy future of the world’s children.
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Cradle to Cradle - and the Circular Economy
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Cradle to Cradle was mentioned. http://www.cradletocradle.com\n    
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Cradle to Cradle is a design framework for going beyond sustainability and designing for abundance in a Circular Economy.
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The Upcycle: Beyond Sustainability—Designing for Abundance is the eagerly awaited follow-up to Cradle to Cradle. Drawing on a decade of lessons,\n    William McDonough & Michael Braungart put Cradle to Cradle®concepts into practice with businesses, governments, and people around the world.
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Prof Dr Michael Braungart gave an interview on the subject of microplastics on 23-10-2018 in the ZDF news programme heute+. Car tyres are the main cause\n    of the microplasty discovered in the human intestine, says environmental expert Michael Braungart. The main problem is the harmful pollution.
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In the 1980s, Braungart dedicated his work to the environmental organization Greenpeace and beginning in 1982 helped to establish the chemistry section\n    of Greenpeace International, which he took over in 1985. In the same year he received his Ph.D. from the University of Hannover's chemistry department.\n    In order to develop solutions for complex environmental problems, EPEA was established by Greenpeace in 1987. Ever since, Braungart has been involved\n    with research and consultancy for eco-effective products i.e. products and production processes in a loop, not only harmless to man or nature, but\n    beneficial.
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Time magazine recognized William McDonough in 1999 as a “Hero for the Planet.”
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In 1996, Mr. McDonough received the Presidential Award for Sustainable Development, and in 2003 he earned the first U.S. EPA Presidential Green Chemistry\n    Challenge Award. In 2004, he received the National Design Award for achievement in the field of environmental design. In July 2014, Mr. McDonough was\n    appointed as Chair of the World Economic Forum Meta-Council on Circular Economy.
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Also mentioned was that we are reaching limits to growth and Rex and I touched on some of the major environmental challenges now affecting the biosphere.\n    Japanese built cars superior to American cars.
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It was quickly noted that when the Japanese car companies came to North America that it only took a few years or so for the American people to realise\n    that Japanese cars were not only more reliable but they lasted longer. The planned obsolescent cars from Ford, General Motors and now defunct Chrysler\n    were far inferior to the Japanese brands - hence their continued success in the US car market today.
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 Apple in the US comes in for some well earned criticism in the interview.
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That between June 29, 2007 and November 3, 2017, Apple introduced 14 new iPhone models, one every 37 weeks. The company stopped supporting the first generation\n    phones within three years, and continues to make previous phones obsolete and unsupported. Listen - Apple are not your kind and caring corporation.\n    They are a hard nosed business wanting to continually corner the market for their own ends. Listen to how they and Sony stopped legislation to not\n    allow their products to be repaired. 
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“Apple is trying to kill legislation that would make it easier for normal people to fix iPhones.” 
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A Global commitment to CHANGE …
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Transformation away from planned obsolescence will require a “radical, systemic change.”
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To encourage minimum standards of durability, repairability, and upgradeability. What's wrong with 10 years for everything over $4,000?
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Having quality goods, robust repair-and-servicing, and secondhand markets would result in more jobs and more economic activity for a given amount of resources.\n    We could also reverse the trends toward food waste with government regulation to limit wasteful practices, full-cost pricing and taxing, subsidies\n    for good stewardship production, and with education.
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2017, Greenpeace Report, advocates similar actions to create closed loop, circular production, beginning at the design stage, with all companies required\n    to design recyclable parts, easy repair, and a take-back program for all products.
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There is a limit to growth on a finite planet.
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There is a limit to growth - that if one becomes an astronaut or a cosmonaut - they see clearly from space - that life within the biosphere can only take\n    so much. That the increase in human numbers and their extracting and polluting practices is overwhelming the natural worlds ability to rebalance these\n    intrusions because of the short time span.
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Rex mentioned that unless we address the growth of human numbers and human enterprise, we are destined for the natural results of ecological overshoot.\n    We also need to phase out fossil fuels and redouble efforts to build renewable energy infrastructure.
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France Under French law it is a crime to intentionally shorten lifespan of a product with the aim of making customers replace it. ... The French investigation\n    is being led by the economy ministry's consumer protection agency. It follows a legal complaint filed in December by pro-consumer group Stop Planned\n    Obsolescence (Hop). Jan 8, 2018.
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End of the line for stuff that's built to die?
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A new French law demands that manufacturers display how long their appliances will last. Could this stop planned obsolescence – products designed with\n    restricted lifetimes? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2015/mar/03/has-planned-obsolesence-had-its-day-design    
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Apple investigated by France for 'planned obsolescence' - BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42615378    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/09/apple-investigated-by-france-for-planned-obsolescence-of-older-iphones/    - This is a Silicon Valley newspaper.
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Also covered was Regenerative Farming and Biological Farming as a way to make soils more healthy and keep the soil from being blown and washed off the\n    land. This farming method is most definitely the most important way to regenerate our land without using fertilisers.https://www.ourplanet.org/Default.aspx?CCID=34961&FID=629092&ExcludeBoolFalse=True&ID=/greenplanetfm/search-results\n
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\n    So there we have it.  However, it goes far deeper than this. Listen.  This is a very important interview - on an imperilled planet that\n    is awash with rubbish, toxins and the throw away society. That we have to ask the question - are we throwing away our future and our children and grandchildren\n    with it? Time for decisive action, from the Grass Roots up. Not top down from the summit of the Pyramid of Businessmen and Bankers. This has to be\n    where all ‘grassroots’ groups as in localised communities across every nation need to be brought into the conversation and also the planning and action.
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This has expanded greatly since coming to New Zealand, and learning how much the Maori language, embraces the natural world and that the word Kaitiakitanga\n    - means guardianship and protection.
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Her first understanding came to her as a child, walking and observing the bush/nature near her home in Australia. Then as an adult making a difference\n    to her community, she started to glean how ‘as in community - as in nature’. She saw that we can’t disregard any of our spheres or scapes, especially\n    our soundscapes. To do so is to ignore a fundamental part of our connection with our nature. We need diversity for harmony and health.
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So as a scientist and an agronomist lecturing in biology and its interconnections, she immersed her deeper self into nature the natural order and the web\n    of all life. Here she found out about our inter relationship with the earth, and also the mineral kingdom and in fact - with all biota. That the vegetable\n    and animal kingdoms were more than a symphony of living form, texture and pattern. But more - that everything is harmonically coupled to the natural\n    ecology, and that within the biosphere there is an added frequency of sound that can both enlighten, heal and inspire. This is where Fiona is putting\n    her focus today.
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Becoming Educated
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Fiona’s original training is scientific, having completed both a Bachelor of Agricultural Science at Adelaide University in 1986 and a Post Graduate Diploma\n    of Agriculture at the University of Queensland in 1988. She has worked as an agronomist, lectured in Biology, Botany and Environmental Science and\n    worked for the Department of Conservation in Australia as an education officer.
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However, the more I delved into this interview the more I enjoyed what Fiona was conveying - as she migrated from her scientific self over to her artistic\n    understanding of showing that in nature, everything is connected. The web of life is integral to our survival as a species. 
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Originally from South Australia she as a child spent a good deal of her time connecting with the bush and biota of the hills that surrounded the city of\n    Adelaide. That later in life, when she studied the soil and botany she realised that diversity was so important to retain the nuance and balance of\n    nature.
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The effects of ‘Development.’
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She says that when man, takes out big chunks of the ecosystems - by broad spectrum spraying or even clear felling of trees or planting monoculture crops\n    - we are taking a big slice of life and area - out of the natural system. However, to mitigate this later on - can become fraught with challenges.\n    So to minimise this from the very beginning, would be a very good forward thinking strategy.
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With large cities especially in summer in Australia, like Melbourne and Sydney they become ‘heat islands’ but when we go away out to the bush and get under\n    the canopy of leaves - we feel the instant coolness - hence we have to have trees in all cities … essentially greenbelts.
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Fiona mentions that nature in the cities is very much seen as ‘lip service.’ 
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Relationships - nature and community. 
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Now living in Whangarei, in Northern NZ - she has been teaching - but she comes back to - ‘relationships’ and who we are as a community and how our natural\n    world functions.
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She belongs to the organisation - Child Friendly Cities as part of her work in Whangarei - that if we can design a city that is safe and there are places\n    for children to play and they get to experience nature - then that city will be healthy for everybody. 
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https://childfriendlycities.org\n
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Connection and Purpose
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If you are connected to something bigger than yourself and you have a purpose and you can aspire to something that brings you forth into the future - then\n    life becomes kind of cool - because of the sense of belonging …
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Listen …
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Working and Teaching With The Less Fortunate
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Today, In Whangarei there is a wonderful experiment of working with people who have in many ways missed out on belonging in an extended family - sort of\n    way - and that through playing music and being part of an orchestra - so to speak - they see themselves as part of a movement that opens them up to\n    joint harmonies and a sense of belonging. It is validating everyone for the part that they are playing in working in unison for the betterment of the\n    whole.  Listen …
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Fiona also integrates Natural Philosophy into her learning modality and that of Viktor Schauberger - known as the father of ‘water dynamics.’ Where the\n    sound of trickling or running water can create a soothing natural ambience that allows people to relax into a realm where industrial sounds are left\n    behind.\n    \n
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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Viktor+Schauberger\n
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Maori
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Fiona has cheerfully integrated the indigenous knowing of NZ Maori of Aotearoa. She also talks warmly about Maori and Māori tikanga (the Māori way of doing\n    things) as in learning the language (te Reo) she is continually immersing herself into a very profound knowingness and connection that is also very\n    holistic as well. She sees herself as being very privileged to participate and learn and receive a Diploma in Maori and see and experience this cultural\n    gift in action. Be it in waiata (song) and poi dance, (synchronised use in each hand of a small ball on a string, - whilst singing) and weaving and\n    carving.
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She finds that Maori cosmology - lore and their very holistic understanding of their connectivity to Mother Earth - Papatuanku, has really opened up her\n    world. Especially coming from a university education with its reductionist and mechanistic viewpoint of lifeless and dead matter.
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That around our planet she said there are so many indigenous earth based cultures who have not only a grounded understanding of nature - but intuitively\n    that can align with the ebb and flow of the homeostatic life force that is embedded within nature.
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She says we have to make the effort by embracing and recognising and listening … to what nature is telling us.Especially Te Reo Maori (learning\n    the Maori language) that since coming to NZ she truly finds how amazing the language is - that so much of Te Reo is premised on the living earth and\n    Papatuanuku.
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She endorses teaching Te Reo Maori in schools because it has such a profound connection with nature and the world at large - like Kaitiaki tanga. (Guardianship).
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Fiona posits the idea that when we learn the Maori language - that as an oral language - it has another quality she finds lacking in English in that it\n    goes beyond function as the English tends to do - and carries with it - and speaks to the heart - as well as function.
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With Kaitiaki - it speaks to the being-ness of something - that English just cannot quite grasp.
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She said that since coming to NZ she has grown more personally - that NZ because it is a verdant country, with more rainfall too - it can offer this quality,\n    when you abide by natures ways.
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That this growth via learning from the Maori language and of their cosmology of a living planet and the sacredness of nature - lifts her spiritually. That\n    as a scientist she identifies with it wholeheartedly - especially in shifting from old thought patterns and family patterns and transforming her being\n    and who she is in the world - especially in supporting her family and moving into the next generation.
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Connection with the Giant Kauri Trees
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Kauri - wananga.(Learning) Waipoua Forest Northland. The iwi - Te ara-ra, are ‘kaitiaki’ of the forest - that the Kauri tree, is also linked closely to\n    the Maori creation story. She encourages people to visit but first research Kauri before they even go to the forest ….
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She talks about Maori Myth and why Kauri in some ways turns upside down the creative story.
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Also the problem of Western society - medicine in using sanitisation to obliterate all germs and with that the good bacteria too. That as a society we\n    are blanket killing so many single cellular bacteria - that it is all coming back to bite us solely because Western medicine is unable to understand\n    the web of life, as above, so below. That the soil is a mass of micro-organisms of mega trillions - yet we ignore their benevolence at our peril
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She talks about being with children - that all we have to do is be who we are - not like someone else. That in her learning about connectivity and collaborating\n    and cooperating in a ‘wananga’ and an open classroom environment - wonders can happen.
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Other Topics Covered
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Spending time deep within healthy old growth forest - how does it feel to immerse yourself in there among these ancient trees and the stillness ?
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What are the health effects when living beside a main highway - with car and truck sounds causing desensitisation and increasing stress levels …
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Industrial society is programming us to tune out, become more desensitised and not allowing open doors and windows to let the wafting fragrances of flowers\n    or bird song to enter. 
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We as a society have to make sure that we have ‘rights’ to live inside a healthy soundscape, where peace can prevail allowing us to heal our being. 
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She makes the statement: It’s not how do things look - but instead - how does it sound?
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Maori have a way to learn from each other, its called: 
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Tuakana teina where trained siblings teach younger siblings.
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Older brother - teachers younger brother, older sister younger sister going on - or even sister - brother - called a scaffolding system of support. 
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Other subjects covered
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Artists - what they bring, is they are a bridge from the unseen to the seen and the physical world. We need to encourage them.
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Home schooling came in as a plus ….
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These was much more in this interview and I sincerely suggest that you have a listen to Fiona, who is someone entirely devoted to teaching and have children\n    learn that we are all part of a greater community.
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http://www.sistemawhangarei.org.nz 
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Numerology is seen as a universal language of numbers. These numbers can then be used to help us to better understand the world and ourselves as individuals.
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Peter Vaughan is a numerologist and also a mayoral candidate for Auckland.
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He explains how numerology works and gives some examples about what one can find out through numbers.
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Numerology has its history way before the Greek philosopher Pythagoras. Pythagoras taught that number was the essence of all things. He spoke of cycles\n    and patterns and waves of energy that existed long before the dawn of humanity, and how our life paths reflect great and eternal laws, whose origins\n    and purpose remain hidden within the mysteries of existence.
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Numerology can calculate life paths and highlight difficulties and good times.
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We discuss some of Peter’s interesting numerological discoveries around suicide, and education.
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Just imagine if we could use numerology to anticipate and reverse suicidal tendencies.
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Peter Vaughan was raised in West Auckland, and although he has lived outside Auckland on occasion, he has always come back to the city he grew up in and\n    loves. Peter and his wife Carolyn have 7 children between them, and a number of grandchildren. This has reinforced Peter's strong connection to Auckland,\n    and means he has a vested interest in it being the best it can be, now, and into the future.
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Peter has an interesting and varied background, having been a soldier in the territorials, worked as an Electrician on large scale commercial and industrial\n    projects, and studied Soil Science. He has also studied people extensively, and acted as an advisor to large corporates, helping them to choose the\n    right people for the right roles through expert profiling techniques he has developed. This means Peter has a vast knowledge of the commercial environment,\n    and is a solutions-based thinker. 
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He will bring to the table solutions regarding the future of Auckland Super City including remedial action to address the recent Auckland City Council\n    press release on the Climate Crisis. We have the technology and we must act now to make corrections and steer away from the causes of such life-threatening\n    matters.
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Peter has seen what is going wrong with Auckland, and has new and innovative ideas to get Auckland moving.From his wealth of experience Peter recognises\n    the financial waste politicians create, he will treat spending other people’s money with the respect it deserves. It is time to use Aucklanders hard\n    earned rates money, wisely and look at cutting costs while delivering the services our city needs to flourish.
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A Newly Led Council with You in Mind - Peter Vaughan’s manifestos
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Push for FREE, modern, public transport 
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 Remove cycle-ways from encroaching on city roads; modify to multiuse foot & cycle traffic 
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 Only engage in upgrading/widening roads if needed to improve traffic flows 
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 No light Rail. Halt costly heavy rail. Support mono track and rubber wheel train technology 
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 Support local businesses as they are BIG producers and employ most of the people 
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 Build high-rise car parks alongside bus and rail stations (park n ride) 
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 Reduce the number of Council employees 
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 Move the Building Consents process to the private sector 
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 Address so called climate crisis claims. Stop landfills and dumping rubbish into the sea 
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 Eradicate pollution - build rubbish-fuelled furnaces that generate power for Auckland 
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 Increase clean water stocks to Auckland by 256,000 tonnes per day from the Waste to Power Plants 
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 Work toward FREE rubbish collection as your rubbish becomes fuel for the power plants 
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 STOP 5G ! Ensure all Aucklanders have access to SAFE in-house higher-speed fibre 
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 Halt all 1080 drops in the Auckland region! Gain NZ support 
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 Push for a rates freeze by offsetting the income from power and water production by Waste to Power Plants 
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 Introduce new Education system concept. Students are unique, the present system is failing our children. 
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That the only course of action to halt this decline was for him as an ‘out doors man’ - was to finally be impelled to start a political party to exact\n    positive change.
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Hence the birth of the OutdoorsParty.co.nz Please Note this interview mentions: DOC = the\n    Department of Conservation - MPI = the Ministry of Primary Industries and - ‘Winston’ = the leader of the NZ Party, which in the last election - 'held\n    the balance of power' and that he was able to forge an Alliance with the Labour Party and the Green Party which enabled Jacinda Ardern to become the\n    Prime Minister of NZ.\n    
In this interview you will hear the timbre of Alan’s voice as he warmly articulates his love for our nation, our warm national character, our countryside\n        and the magnificence of our scenery. However he also voices his disappointment of the Governmental agencies tasked to take care of our cherished\n        environment and do the right thing for the future of generations to come. This interview was very enjoyable from the standpoint that Alan talked\n        about a duty of care - that I as the interviewer became far to involved and talked far too much - when I needed to just ask questions - so I wish\n        to apologise to Alan and listeners - for too much talk time.
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The essence of this interview is on this web page and basically says it all. https://www.outdoorsparty.co.nz\n    
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Walking and climbing many areas in the hills, ranges and mountains of NZ and specialising in being both a fishing and hunting guide. Alan has a very\n        intimate relationship with the land and nature. This is where he has been able to dwell and think-through what needs to be done to restore our\n        environment and bring through the old New Zealand values of yesteryear.
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Quickly.
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Healthy land, clean water, rivers and lakes and seashores
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Regenerate fish in both inland waterways and along our coasts.
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Speaking for hunters and fishermen and all activities of the great outdoors.
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Low impact, high value agricultural production.
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No more trawling of our coastal fisheries.
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Establish environmental limits to economic growth
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Focus on quality, not quantity in everything we do.
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A society where health, happiness and compassion are our measures for success.
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Major Platforms 
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A moratorium on 5G Technologies. 
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Halt aerial toxins of 1080, clean up the rapid decline of our inshore fisheries, and the importance to clean up our streams, rivers and lakes. Including\n        hunting, land use in the public interest.
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That all of these back into a healthy environment and ecology which equates to land, forests, and backcountry areas. Hence the name ‘Outdoors Party.’\n        
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Also realising that many people leave the cities on weekends and holidays to spend much needed time in the great outdoors.
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Challenges
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Dairy Farming 
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Alan mentions that the dairy farming industry, which is the backbone to NZ’s economy has to be challenged - especially on the Canterbury Plains where\n        the irrigation sucks so much water out of the rivers and cows waste leaches so easily back down through the fragile soil - that contamination is\n        escalating beyond the ability to control. He states that the industry has to take responsibility for it actions as it is majorly undermining our\n        land and waterways as well as our future. 
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Dirty Dairying Exposed in the New York Times 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/opinion/new-zealand-cows.html\n    
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Fish & Salmon Farming
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Salmon farming in NZ - is the cause of a huge amount of issues - from feeding low quality food to salmon, use of antibiotics, to the fish becoming\n        diseased and that below the enclosure - high amounts of pollution that looks like a desolate lifeless wasteland.
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Commercial fishing is taking from the NZ ‘Commons’ - which belongs to the NZ People - 'We the people own this resource’ - however it has been essentially\n        taken over by an exceptionally small number of players. This is resulting in a huge waste of other species of fish, caught as ‘by-catch’ that are\n        injured and returned to the water - but many end up dying - floating on the surface to eventually sink to the bottom of the sea. See further down\n        this posting. 
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Hear about how the 'Recreational Fishing Reserves' that the National Party promised for the people, that were never taken up and followed through when\n        they were in power. That there was no intention of this being actioned - and the National politicians breaking promises - year after year. 
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Kaitiaki
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The word kaitiaki in Maori is mentioned by Alan - a very good word Kaitiaki is a New Zealand Māori term used for the concept of guardianship, for the\n        sky, the sea, and the land. A kaitiaki is a guardian, and the process and practices of protecting and looking after the environment are referred\n        to as kaitiakitanga.
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It needs to be adhered to. 
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Aerial Toxins - 1080 poison
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Halting the aerial toxin 1080 being dropped by helicopter over large areas of the country which causes huge collateral damage to other animal species\n        eating and taking in this poison and dying horrendous painful deaths.
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He talks about the spin doctors from the Department of Conservation and the Green Party saying that they are totally accepting of this poison as the\n        only option we have in this country. Yet, there are a number of small regions where the locals have used trapping and ‘targeted’ other poisons\n        and they are highly successful - because with 1080, vast numbers of birds are dying - such as the native kea.
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SPCA - has come out against 1080. But the Forest and Bird Society of all organisations, are so pro 1080 that they will not engage in finding other\n        alternatives - other than continue supporting of ‘carpet bombing’ the bush and dropping tonne’s of poison green pellets where it gets into bush\n        covered ravines and waterways - as they have no control of it - and as the poison pellets are made of cereal, birds are drawn to it.
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Listen to Alan talk about 1080 - he will give you a graphic understanding by a witness who has seen deer that have eaten and taken in this poison and\n        of the long horrific, agonising, torturous death these poisoned animals undergo that in Alan’s words is - unspeakable. 
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Also talked to, was that 1080 is an extremely emotional issue - that has ferocious arguments coming from both sides of the ‘debate’ - because this\n        issue is fervently being fought to actually save our fauna - however the process is so vociferous that after the 1080 argument dies down - the\n        opposite actually takes place - silence and quietness throughout the entire area of the bush where 1080 is dropped. 
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5G
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With the coming planned roll out of 5G technology across NZ - the Outdoors Party ‘is out there alone’ in comparison to all the other main political\n        parties. They are calling for a ‘moratorium’ on the deployment of this technology. Especially as there has been no independent health studies that\n        have been peer reviewed by independent scientists and doctors free from industry ties. At the time of this interview all the other main political\n        parties have shown no interest in the health effects that this technology can/may cause. They are all pro 5G. 
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Even though there are rapidly increasing numbers of very courageous scientists and doctors who are prepared to call out the industry for not doing\n        ‘due diligence’ on the intensity of the frequencies that will be saturating all areas. This includes the rapid escalation of transmitting tower\n        numbers being ubiquitous along all streets and neighbourhoods everywhere - many nest door to homes of families, schools and children’s preschools.\n        
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Who benefits from this tech? Alan says, 4G is quite ok for most of us. To take action people in NZ are talking about switching phone companies - Vodafone\n        is going to be the first to deploy 5G across the country and so many Vodafone customers are changing to '2 Degrees’ - as they say their company\n        is not going to 5G. This is one way to boycott the big guys. 
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People are starting to organise in local groups across NZ and they are happening as this is being read. Sue Grey also belongs to the 'outdoors party'\n        and was interviewed 3 weeks ago with much more info here.
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/sue-grey-the-urgency-to-educate-on-the-dangers-of-5g-technology-especially-with-mothers\n    
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NZ Coastal Fisheries being the 4th largest in area on earth
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Alan talks about these fisheries needing to being in the care for all NZers. Called the “commons.’ That they belong to the people of this country,\n        and have to be managed for the people and our collective future. However large commercial interests have claimed 94% of the fishery and are taking\n        huge numbers out fish of the sea, and virtually dumping these fish at low prices overseas. (Not adding value.) 
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So the perennial problem of the commercial sector is the continued netting of ‘by-catch’ - not the targeted fish that they have been given quota’s\n        for - and then when caught - are dumped - most die due to being out of the water too long or are injured in this process. 
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The name Scott Macindoe comes up as a revered and highly acknowledged spokesman on behalf of the recreational fisherfolk of NZ and the challenges faced\n        by them, especially against the commercial fishing juggernaut wanting to exert their need for more areas in which to fish. (listen). 
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Alan also wants NZ as a nation to focus on organics (not GE or GMO’s). 
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That we focus on value adding to all our exports as a huge number of logged trees are being exported from NZ without any ‘value adding’ to them. That\n        we are selling them just as logs and we could sell them as sawn up and dressed timber or even more innovative products.
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That we place an organic emphasis especially around health and that healthy food and food growing be taught to children in schools throughout NZ. 
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Legislation and the 1956 NZ Health Act.
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The Act says it is for - improving, promoting and protecting public health.
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What does it mean 'protecting public health?’
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In promoting a healthy lifestyle for NZers, Alan states that when we take ourselves out doors into nature it can heal us in so many ways, especially\n        from todays onset of stress and depression. 
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We also hear that being affiliated and going outdoors is spiritually good for all people, especially young people - with the result of far less health\n        problems. 
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In this interview Alan shows his commitment to NZ’s fauna and fauna and what he and the Outdoors Party are undertaking for the good of the country.\n        That is to exact change bygoing to Parliament to follow through on what their website manifesto states.
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This is especially relevant to DOC whom he states - 'have lost their way.' 
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 Alan Simmons https://www.outdoorsparty.co.nz\n    
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Christine Rose is a Campaign Advisor for World Animal Protection, continuing her decades-long advocacy for better protection for Māui and Hector's dolphins.
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In her role in this global animal welfare organisation, Christine applies her knowledge of politics and love of philosophy into 'the new frontier' of animal\n    ethics, working to move the world for animals' welfare and rights.
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The New Zealand Government has now released the public consultation draft for its Threat Management Plan, TMP, for Māui and Hector's dolphins – New Zealand’s\n    only endemic dolphin species, and among the world’s most endangered. The proposed plan doesn't go far enough she says. It fails to protect all habitat\n    for all Māui and Hector's sub-populations. 
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You can make a submission below by August 19, 2019.
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MAUI AND HECTOR’S DOLPHINS
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Māui and Hector’s are the smallest (and among the rarest) dolphins in the world and are only found in New Zealand. These much-loved dolphins are friendly\n    and often interact with surfers and swimmers.
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Māui and Hector’s dolphins are a New Zealand “taonga” (a highly valued treasure) and are celebrated in our culture and art. They deserve our respect and\n    protection.
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The official population estimate for Māui dolphins is about 57 and, in 2018 alone, at least four Māui’s dolphins were found dead on North Island beaches.\n    Some of the small South Island Hector’s dolphin sub-populations number as low as 40 individuals. The problem is simple – much of the Hector’s and Māui\n    habitat is unprotected from human threats and human populations. Areas they live in, travel through and need to survive have limited or no protection.\n    Because of the fishing activity within their habitat, dolphins continue to get caught in nets and drown – sometimes whole families.
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WHAT IS THE TMP - THREAT MANAGEMENT PLAN
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The TMP is a plan used by the Department of Conservation and Fisheries New Zealand to help make management decisions around threats towards protected species\n    in New Zealand.
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The first Hector's and Māui dolphin TMP was created in 2007 to evaluate and manage the risks from threats such as fishing, tourism, vessel strike, pollution,\n    climate change, and disease. Protection measures were established to help protect Māui and Hector’s dolphins.
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The Govt only reviews its Maui and Hector's dolphin Threat Management Plan once every 5-10 years and these dolphins are on the brink of extinction. There\n    are only about 57 adult Maui dolphins and some of the small South Island subpopulations are even lower in number.
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The proposed TMP doesn't cover the whole dolphin range - it misses out off-shore range to 100m deep, and subpopulations on the North Island East Coast,\n    between the North and South Islands, Marlborough Sounds, gaps around the East and South Coasts of the South Island.
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It allows seabed mining and oil and gas exploration in most of the dolphins' habitat. it fails to impose a rigorous and robust monitoring programme. It\n    allows 80-100 dolphins to be killed as by-catch every year. It overstates the costs to the fishing industry of full protection, and understates the\n    benefits according to the work that has been commissioned by World Animal Protection.
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It would seem that cameras need to be installed on all commercial fishing vessels.
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GILL NETS ARE THE MAIN PROBLEM
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Fishing nets have killed all but a third of the Hector's and Maui dolphins. It's time to stop! Gillnets are the most serious threat, followed by trawling.
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Scientific research has proven that the current protection measures are NOT enough.
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Fishing nets have killed all but a third of the Hector's and Maui dolphins. It's time to stop! Gillnets are the most serious threat, followed by trawling.
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SO FEW DOLPHINS LEFT
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About 45 Hector's dolphins live in Porpoise Bay in the Catlins, 42 off Otago, two or three hundred in Te Waewae Bay on the south coast, and about 200 off\n    the north coast of the South Island.
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Hector's dolphin is rapidly following in the footsteps of Maui dolphin, with their populations becoming more and more fragmented. One after the other small,\n    local population has dwindled, endangering the species as a whole.
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These dolphins range to 20 nautical miles offshore, so if protection is extended to all waters less than 100 metres deep we would see the populations grow\n    and recover from the losses they have suffered over the last four decades. This would stop the continued dolphin by-catch (entanglement in fishing\n    gear) problem. 
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WORLD ANIMAL PROTECTION
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Christine also spoke about the four aspects of the work done by World Animal Protection.
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Animals in Communities 
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Animals play a vital role in communities worldwide – and we need to protect them. Christine explains that they help governments to manage dog populations\n    humanely and to vaccinate against rabies, instead of culling dogs. They share advice on responsible pet ownership. They prevent working animals being\n    overworked and abused. They do whatever is necessary to protect animals in communities worldwide, including at home here in New Zealand.
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Animals in Farming 
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Christine says, “The majority of animals farmed for food live in conditions that cause suffering and stress. It’s time to rethink farming.
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The treatment of farm animals is the world’s biggest animal welfare issue – and it’s getting bigger. By 2050, livestock production will be twice what it\n    was in 2000. Right now, more than 70 billion animals are farmed for food each year – two-thirds in conditions that mean they can’t move freely or live\n    naturally. We campaign for progress at every stage – from farming to transportation to slaughter.”
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Animals in Disasters 
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It is necessary to move fast to protect animals affected by disasters, reducing suffering and helping governments and communities to recover and rebuild.
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Animals in the Wild 
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World Animal Protection works around the globe to protect and save world animals, and to keep wild animals in the wild, where they belong. They try and\n    stop elephants from being ridden and allow them to be wild animals, for example.
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You can find out more at https://www.worldanimalprotection.org.nz 
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CHRISTINE ROSE
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Christine Rose is a Campaign Advisor for World Animal Protection, continuing her\n    decades-long advocacy for better protection for Māui and Hector's dolphins. In her role in this global animal welfare organisation, Christine applies\n    her knowledge of politics and love of philosophy into 'the new frontier' of animal ethics, working to move the world for animals' welfare and rights.\n    Previously she has been a councillor for Auckland Regional Council and a board member for Rodney District Council.
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In her spare time, Christine spends as much time in and on the sea as possible. She's a writer often focusing on environmental ethics, and a ceramic artist\n    and painter, inspired by nature and the ocean.
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MAKE A TMP SUBMISSION
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You can make a submission by either copying the submission below, or adapting it to one of your own, or sign this submission from World Animal Protection – but time is short.
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Consultation: Hector’s and Māui Dolphin Threat Management Plan
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Submission form: 
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Contact details - phone number, email
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Email to: DolphinTMP@doc.govt.nz by August 19 2019
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(Thanks to Suzanne Vincent for writing this.)
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“The proposal falls far short of what is required. The best options described do not even approach the levels of protection for Maui dolphins recommended\n    by the International Whaling Commission and the IUCN, or in the Green and Labour Party conservation policies. The options proposed to protect Hector’s\n    dolphins fall even shorter, even though these dolphins are also endangered.
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It is essential that the following measures are taken:
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A total ban on set nets and trawls from both the entire Hector’s dolphin and the Māui dolphinhabitat - to be applied in all waters less than 100 metres\n        depth: Large numbers of these dolphins are dying in fishing nets. For there to be any chance of these species recovering and thriving, human induced\n        deaths must be reduced to effectively zero for both species. For this reason, only dolphin-safe fishing methods must be used in their habitat.\n        Fishing is the most urgent threat, and these measures must be taken swiftly and decisively: it is not acceptable for fishing interests to prevail\n        in this situation. Research commissioned by World Animal Protection found that in comparison to the benefits to be gained from full protection\n        throughout the full Maui and Hector’s habitat, the costs to the fishing industry are minor.
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Cameras must be installed on all commercial fishing vessels to ensure compliance with the restrictions, and to ensure that bycatch is reported accurately:\n        Monitoring is low in some areas, and more dolphins are being caught than is known; it is very important that we have an accurate picture of what\n        is happening
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Of these threats, seismic surveying and seabed mining pose the greatest risk to Hector’s and Māui dolphins. There must be an outright ban on seabed\n        mining, oil exploration and drilling from the entire Hector’s and Māui dolphin habitat The severe pressures from noise and seabed disturbance from\n        the activities of oil exploration, drilling and seabed mining, including sediment discharge, must be eradicated from the dolphins’ entire habitat.\n        It is not sufficient to impose restrictions only for new activities, the threats must be removed from areas covered by existing permits. Government\n        must take clear action to prohibit all activities that create disturbance to the habitat, and which could easily result in the loss of these species.\n        
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Thank you for the opportunity to make this submission.”
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What they say they are doing - nobody can complain. But, what they are actually planning and what it means when you understand their point of view and\n    their goals - you see that it is completely different than the ‘catch phrases’ they are using - especially when ‘they’ bring it forward to the peoples\n    attention.\n    
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The whole gamut of Roy’s interview is that corporations and the elite, are in lockstep with big ‘global’ governance aim - to lure us, “we the people” -\n    into ‘agreements.’\n    
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Agenda 21 which was in 9 parts has now morphed to Agenda 2030 - of 13 points - since 1992 and its signing by 178 countries at the Earth Summit (United Nations Conference on Environment and Development) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. It is being overseen by the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world - that can be enacted at local, national, and global levels.
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So essentially the agenda is looking at our planet earth and the whole biosphere to see what measures can be taken to stop pollution, the destruction of\n    habitat, the halting of species extinction and the uncontrolled exploitation and extraction of non renewable resources everywhere. This includes the\n    rampant use of bio-technology and dealing with radioactive waste.\n    
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So who could argue that these all need to be urgently addressed for the future of all children and grandchildren?
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Agenda 21 also focuses on population growth, poverty, health and the disenfranchisement of the poor. Indigenous peoples, women, NGO’s and their place in\n    this Agenda, plus multinational corporations, farmers and communities from villages all the way up to now what we call super cities of the world.\n    
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Finally where does science fit into this mix?\n    
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The Document
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Agenda 21 is a 350-page document divided into 40 chapters that have been grouped into 4 sections:[citation needed]
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Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions is directed toward combating poverty, especially in developing countries, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, achieving a more sustainable population, and sustainable settlement in decision making.[citation needed]
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Section II: Conservation and Management of Resources for Development includes atmospheric protection, combating deforestation, protecting fragile environments, conservation of biological diversity (biodiversity), control of pollution and the\n        management of biotechnology, and radioactive wastes.
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Section III: Strengthening the Role of Major Groups includes the roles of children and youth, women, NGOs, local authorities, business and industry, and workers; and strengthening the role of indigenous peoples, their communities, and farmers.[citation needed]
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Section IV: Means of Implementation includes science, technology transfer,\n        education, international institutions, and financial mechanisms.[ citation needed]
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The interview starts with Roy immediately stating that this is not a people friendly agenda. That it is a depopulation agenda - he does not mince words.\n    He emphatically states that the wording is so compelling that any ordinary person would only want to countenance such sentiment. It reads well and\n    sounds good - it appeals to common sense - but look at the deeper levels of it. Who is calling the shots?\n    
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So I ask him, what is it that he thinks/sees is problematic?\n    
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The word Sustainable
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The big one he says is the word Sustainable - it is a word that can conjure up many different meanings.
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A sustainable business is just one that is able to continue doing business for as long as it takes. Which every business wants to do anyway.\n    
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You can have sustainable forests or a fishery, that you keep maintaining at a certain rate or level - but it’s only maintaining - where it needs to be regenerated-    where it needs to be cherished as nature - not just using it as a resource.\n    
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The word sustainability has been superseded by the word Regeneration - as regeneration means to put back more. That there is an eternal\n    component to it. Regeneration has an optimism and can also be seen as a sacred act.\n    
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Of replenishing nature, of giving back whole heartedly. 
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However Agenda 21 does not talk in terms of regeneration of the biosphere. \n
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Energy and Energy Production. 
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Energy production today involves the largest planetary change that we have upon us and we are being held hostage by vested interests of the massive fossil\n    fuel and oil cartel. They do not and will not budge an inch, from their extractive and polluting industrial ways. They are controlling the agenda.
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Big Oil & Fossil Fuel Thwart & Constrain - new energy systems.It is known that from leading edge physics and its point of view,\n    you can receive more energy out than you put into a system - yet the status quo says - oh, the 'perpetual motion machine' - and they scoff and demonise\n    this in total - including the inventors as well - there is a constant refusal to acknowledge that this is possible (listen to Alvin Crosby’s interview\n    of two weeks ago, where he proved that it’s attainable with water).
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So yes, ordinary everyday physics proves it’s possible. The whole universe is structured as 'an over unity device’ - the sun continues to put out endless\n    amounts of energy. How can this be? So the whole science and the physics is showing us, that there are other equations.\n    
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See The Thrive Movie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk\n    
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3 minute trailer. This tells us exceptionally clearly what the challenge is.
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Roy states there are numerous desktop type ‘energy machines’ being produced - however he says the challenge is around scaling them up to be able to service\n    the greater population. Yet, when someone does find the ‘over unity’ toroidal donut equation and produces a viable unit - they then go and\n    patent it - because they inherently know that it’s very difficult to find that ‘unique mathematical combination.’ But, what invariably happens, that\n    there at the patents office - this 'key global - nodal point’ - sitting in a very strategic ‘location’ are officials that are tasked to scrutinise\n    all such 'gifts to humanity’ - where it then is essentially suppressed - usually with such hefty fees etc - and this has been happening since the 1930’s.\n    
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Yet, the Deep State for want of a far better word - control the narrative and the agenda - that is ... ‘don’t subvert or compete with the status quo!’\n    
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Roy mentions magnets and magnetism saying the energy behind what is magnetic - is a science that we know so little about - actions and reactions and forces\n    and energies and that it is a ‘complete science’ - which we have in essence ignored. It works in tandem with gravity, electricity, it works into generation\n    and yet magnetism is not taught!\n    
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Nikola Tesla is mentioned and his quote “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the\n    previous centuries of its existence.”\n    
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Invisible Forces
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Roy says that this is a very important point - as it is invisible forces that are taking humanities lives away as of right now - in this era.
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That science does not study and research the invisible is fraught with danger and in fact what we may think as toys are in actuality - weapons. 
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With Roy emphasising that we have to learn and study these invisible forces and like every other thing in the universe, energy can be\n    used for good or used for bad. He says we have had these invisible systems suppressed from our knowing. Yet covertly, ‘the powers that be’\n    are researching and advancing these technologies in secret and they are using them to help consolidate their power whilst using these technologies\n    against us.
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With Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 he asserts that inside these ’nice goals’ - and the ‘catch phrases’ they say - is how all their newly acquired advantages,\n    are used against us. Though not mentioned in this interview - the plan to deploy 5 G wireless - was not the subject of Roy’s interview, he knows a\n    huge amount about it - however he had too many other subjects he wanted to speak to.\n    
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Microwaves are detrimental to biological beings.
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He firmly said - that microwaves are not good for humans - end of story. No matter what level, what intensity, what frequency - microwaves are not good\n    for human beings!
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We today are immersed in them. ‘We are living in a microwave oven’ and now we have wifi all over us - with the addition of satellites above - following\n    us … there are so many things that are impacting our life. All being on the invisible platform of vibratory and frequency impact - on our consciousness\n    and our health. Look at today’s increasing health statistics.\n    
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Walter Russell - unknown genius.\n    
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Another one of the invisibles comes up with Fukushima in Japan and the continuous belching into the Pacific Ocean of nuclear radiation still today. Roy\n    mentions that Walter Russell and his wife Tao wrote a book in the 1950s called ‘Atomic Suicide’ about the impact of radiation and playing with the\n    hidden building blocks of the Universe. In this book Walter Russell a poly math - stated that nuclear energy is wrong! That it creates a danger at\n    every level that it is used. Listen
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He mentions that ‘nuclear situations’ can appear where matter disassociates and starts to fall apart - because all of nature is based on balance - the dynamics of the atom - the electron and the neutron inside the atom etc. So the imperative is recognising that our science is running far ahead of our collective consciousness and this is why we today are in the disconnected un-peaceful situation we have on earth. Because ‘we’ the ordinary person doing life, have been separated away from the decision making process - and for some time.\n
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Nikola Tesla to Walter Russell “lock up this (Cosmic) knowledge in a safe for 1,000 years until man is ready for it.” www.Philosophy.org
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With other facets of the Agenda 21 
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 It was George Herbert Bush, ex head of the CIA who was Vice President of the US for 8 years and President for 4 years who initiated this document and signed\n    off on it. Then Roy says that it was Margaret Evans, Mayor of Hamilton here in NZ who signed it and adopted it to make Hamilton a model city for Agenda\n    21.
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He says that via the UN they have been altering, changing and controlling Hamilton from that time. It’s a model - an example city. Waitakere also signed\n    it with Bob Harvey being the mayor - listen to my interview of him here:\n    
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Roy said that they were lured by the wording by the ‘catchphrases’ in the document as to something good - but Roy says look at Hamilton as a result. There\n    are no 4 lane roads - there are traffic islands everywhere - they are called ‘Margaret’ islands - named after the Mayor - because there are so many\n    - parking is restricted … Hamilton is such a difficult city to pass through (I agree I bypass it) - Roy maintains that with the way\n    the traffic is controlled - it slows down our ability to be productive humans. Listen\n    
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He says this is happening globally - this is Agenda 21 - they slow down our ability to be productive humans. He says that Transit NZ is\n    influenced by Hamilton Council. Listen\n    
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He talks about our best food produced in NZ is exported - and he said that is true of every nation that is under the control of the globalist government.\n    Many to most of the globalist governments export their own food and import somebody else’s food production.\n    
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Clipping the ticket 
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WHY? Because they get to ‘clip the ticket’ - plus they get to control the food chain as well as accelerate the prices. He said if we did not sell all of\n    our food overseas and instead ate the best (being high quality export grade) and then just sold the balance - 'they’ would not be able to control our\n    food chain regime.
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That cheeses can be traded between Britain and Holland and yet they are basically the same type of cheese. (Remember the term Coals to Newcastle) - But,\n    as you can readily see, the standard of food in NZ supermarkets now has become so low - it is as if we are buying 2nd or 3rd grade food, whilst for\n    example in the UK, superb apples can be sold that are juicy and crisp and like kiwifruit - have no blemishes.\n    
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Meanwhile NZers ever since Sue Kedgely left Parliament have had no champion of quality food standards.
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Dumbing us down 
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Roy says, that part of the Agenda is that it dumbs us down - that we become subservient. (and eventually we become homogenised) … easier to control..\n    Marginalised …
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Roy goes on that those who we elect, our Government Representatives,  Members of Parliament - are just as much a victim as you and I.\n    
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They are drinking sanitised water, eating food that has glyphosate in it, they are being impacted by wifi and a variety of invisibles …they are\n    just as susceptible to the deception as you and I.
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He says the MPs have to be very special and a very focused individual, as well as exceptional capable at protecting themselves to be able to stand up to\n    this barrage coming at them from all quarters - just to be able to survive.\n    
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An example. Goal number 11 from Agenda 2030 
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Now that can mean a lot says Roy!
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Which means ban all gun ownership of private citizens (Globally).
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Which means only obedient government officers can have or use them.
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And he says it could enslave a class of people as impoverished.\n    
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Which mean criminalise those living in rural areas.\n    
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And institute protected areas … where the Government claims that it is owned by the people -but, they do not allow people to live there.\n    
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Force humans into densely populated tightly packed controlled cities …\n    
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Where they are under surveillance 24/7/365 and they are subjected to easy manipulation by the authorities\n    
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(Tim - says but I want to go out and be - in nature and regenerate) - Roy says we are of the earth and if she is our mother then we need to be in harmony\n    with her … and cities restrict us. He says this is another aspect of the invisible attack.\n    
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That cities have become wifi and microwave hot spots and as such having an imbalanced vibratory rate, that our psychic balance is totally thrown out as\n    there is no quietness and stillness due to so little nature. Like stands of dense bush and many trees with birdlife.\n    
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Food Codes and Irradiation. 
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Other subject covered is that irradiated food is coming into the country - that irradiation degrades its nutrition, plus only having tiny labels to tell\n    us it’s irradiated by Caesium 137. 
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Labels on food is coded - as it is easier to hide what is in food and how it has been treated. Note that no supermarket has a large sign\n    on the wall somewhere, telling us the numbers and what they mean and as a result most NZers seem to not care or even question …\n    
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Why do we in NZ still have no labels regarding GMO. What was it that watered down Steffan Browning’s Food Labelling Bill that went through Parliament?\n    
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Depopulation being the ultimate goal.\n    
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The fertility of the earth is what is being attacked …\n    
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Note - the falling fertility levels …\n    
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Yet, the Chinese have worked out a way to make deserts fertile. There are ways if there is the will to regenerate and grow green spaces.\n    
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Changing Dietary Needs - having less meat.\n    
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He says the catchphrase ‘that there are too many people on earth’ - can be countered, if we slowed down eating meat and started eating less and less -\n    there would be no difficulty in our population surviving and thriving. Scientific research says that is very doable - ‘but, the will to stop eating\n    meat is lacking.’
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Cannabis is mentioned as it is used now for many herbal cures. That using cannabis in agriculture can lead to far healthier products and wholesome soil\n    as well as sequesting Co2 down from the atmosphere.\n    
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Loving Care and our Relationship with Existence. 
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This whole conversation then morphs to what is it to be human and Roy talks of the wonderful virtues than can flow forth from a loving caring, compassionate\n    human to one that when we awaken to our potential as a living, soul based humanity - we can live in joy once we courageously open up to our divine\n    inheritance.
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Roy goes on to speak so eloquently of us as a family of humanity that can support and work together with other kin and it does not have anything to do\n    with race, colour, gender of wealth - just a firm commitment to the truth and then making a connection to the light behind each others eyes.\n    
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He talks about our heart - our inner self, our consciousness - we have to make this leap of faith …it’s about our being and our extension to God.\n    
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That the spiritual perspective has to override the material perspective because the spiritual perspective is on the eternal platform and the physical perspective\n    is on the material platform. And the eternal is superior in every decision .\n    
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This was a very full-on interview of a committed and very focussed communicator\n    
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Roy Harlow\n    
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www.RushFM.co.nz\n
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Our Innate Interdependence
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He says “Make no mistake about it; there is a growing community of ‘awakening’ people are who engaged in a core dialogue about what it means to be human\n    at the start of the 21st Century. This awakening is a natural evolution for human consciousness and is composed of two overarching parts.
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First is a deep realization of the innate interdependence we have with the entirety of reality, regardless if we look at it through the lenses of ecology,\n    quantum physics or spirituality. The second is recognizing the social and systemic dysfunction that requires collective action to be transcended by\n    redesigning our society to reflect the new era that humanity is adventuring into.”
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Australian Election Result 2019
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Phillip gives us a run down of the surprise Australian election result before going on to educate us about the value of hemp as a crop and a way to get\n    away from the corporate control of our countries.
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The Amazing Uses For Hemp
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Hemp can be used in so many ways: as food, paper, oil, textiles, and can be used to build houses and even cars. It is good for the environment and captures\n    carbon.
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Communities can be built around hemp.
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He mentions reform of banking including having local banks, and in Australia the people's national bank needs to be re-established.
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Below is a list that Phillip put together of what we need to visualise and then
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Create to have a Positive Future
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- Individual & national sovereignty will be restored, including how that translates into legislation and policy.\n    
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- Corruption will be squashed in our political system, including putting a halt to big business controlling policy, as well as ceasing the revolving door\n    between government and the lobby industry.\n    
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- The people who work in our government will be adhering to the rule of law.
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- The people will be properly represented in our government, including with more controversial areas of discourse.
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- The many severe issues that people are facing - such as homelessness, entrenched poverty, drug addiction and so much more - will be resolved in big ways,\n    which would result with us being a shining example on the world stage.\n    
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- In response to an increasingly globalised world, we will have localised a lot more (including local public banks, business, food & resources).\n    
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- Our communities will be more self-sufficient, in case of any financial or environmental catastrophes.\n    
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- Our children will be receiving better education, including proper health & life skills, as well as them properly understanding how they have the\n    rights they have today.\n    
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- The most advanced health treatments will be easily accessible to the people, including plant based medicines and other more natural therapies.\n    
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- Our environment will be better taken care of, including using Hemp for biodegradable plastics, safe bio-fuels, nutritious food, stronger clothing, building\n    materials, medicine and thousands of other products.\n    
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- Local industry will be restored & our population will be more decentralised, which will revitalise and better integrate our communities.\n    
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- Our Common Wealth, including public assets, will be returned to the people.\n    
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- We'll have a free & fair media which reports on ALL the evidence, instead of being controlled by multi-billionaires and their agendas.\n    
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- And the power will ultimately be in the hands of the people, including through a fair electoral system and Citizen-Initiated Referendums (CIRs).\n    
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He says - get excited, because to achieve all this all we need to do is work together regardless of our political or other persuasions.\n    Together we are so strong, especially when we have an intelligent plan.\n    
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So get familiar with the above information, because it will be our weapon in battle when we take back our country for the benefit of ourselves, our environment,\n    and our future generations... “ 
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Biography 
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Phillip J. Watt is a clinical hypno-psychotherapist, author and public speaker who lives on the Mid North Coast of NSW, Australia. His first book, The\n    Simulation, is a daring exposé of the human experience in the 21st Century. His other written and interview work deals with topics from spirituality\n    to society, as well as self-development. 
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Before achieving his certification as a ‘Clinical Hypno-psychotherapist’ through the Institute of Clinical Hypnotherapy and Psychotherapy (ICHP), Phillip\n    helped countless people as a life coach, relationship mediator and writer. He has received hundreds of messages from individuals all over the world\n    thanking him for how he has helped them to change their life. 
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Since 2012 he has written many pieces which have been shared across dozens of international platforms – such as Elephant Journal, The Mind Unleashed, Wake\n    Up World and Waking Times. 
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He has presented at mindfulness conferences such as the ‘The Illuminate Conference’, ‘Paradigm Shift Summit’ and ‘The Abundance Festival‘, and has been\n    interviewed on many podcasts, such as ‘Rune Soup’‘ and ‘Skeptiko’. 
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He is also the creator of a podcast called ‘Dissect Media’ (formerly known as ‘Redesigning Society’), where he has had the fortune of interviewing some\n    of the most brilliant minds of our time, including Gregg Braden, Gordon White, Rupert Sheldrake, Dean Radin, Ellen Brown, Michael Tellinger, Geoff\n    Lawton and Amit Goswami. In addition, he has a decade-long background working in the public sector as a social worker, relationship mediator and mentor\n    for socio economically disadvantaged kids, adults and family units with serious behavioural and medical challenges. He has also worked in policy development\n    and project and stakeholder management at the Federal level.
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He is very active on Facebook and lately has posted extensively on the corporate media, the Yellow Vest movement, natural therapies and the Australian\n    Elections.
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Coffs Harbour Hypnotherapy and Counselling\n
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 and The Mind Unleashed\n
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and you can find him on Facebook.
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This very informational interview comes from a man of experience and lets us know that if we followed in his footsteps with a well financed team of technicians\n    lead by him - NZ could quite possibly lead the world into a hydrogen economy.
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Hydrogen Power
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As a child Alvin listened to his father who was an aircraft engineer in the 2nd World War telling him that the British had spitfires running on hydrogen\n    as well as the Americans with their mustangs.
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Even as early as primary school through to secondary he would then ask questions of his science teachers if this was possible and the answer was always\n    No - never - but as he learnt a little more from his father, he furthered his questioning - as he said that the hydrogen gas gave these aircraft a\n    huge surge of power. However his teachers ‘towing the line’ that they themselves had been taught consistently - always threw the 3rd Law of Thermodynamics\n    at him.
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http://physicsforidiots.com/physics/thermodynamics/\n
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However this idea of fire from water fascinated Alvin and whilst a teenager he experimented with draining a motorcycle battery of the acid - putting fresh\n    water into it and linking it to a power supply had it bubbling. So he put a hose pipe in place to catch what was coming off and lit the other end of\n    the pipe and a flame came out - to then explode - causing him to lose his hearing for a number of days.
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Though it scared him - he now realised it was for real - so he decided to engineer this idea further. So with the assistance of a BP engineer from Britain\n    giving him more information - he over time created a generator that could produce hydrogen and do real things with like welding and melting stone -\n    the heat given off being around 4,000 degrees.
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He then built a company that produced these hydroxy welding units here in NZ and for a while exported them globally. 
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Ether another far more subtle element
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Alvin also talks about the ether - and maintains that it exists. He also said that the Hadron high energy particle collider in Europe the scientists there,\n    talk about the 'God particle' - and this comes right down to ‘thought.’ That ‘thoughts’ are very much part of the creative process.
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There is a lot of contradiction around the physics of hydrogen especially at Universities where they trot out the same statement time and again that it\n    takes more energy to turn hydrogen into a gas than the amount of gas that you get out of this process. This he says is an old way of thinking.
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He says that he got into trouble with the 'status quo' by extracting a 26% return of energy - and he says that’s because science does not take into account\n    - latent energy in the environment. He says have a look at heat pumps today and we get a return of 7 to 8 to One - return. Heat pumps, are a way shower\n    that baffle the old paradigm.
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Water is just not H2O as we have been taught there are something like 36 types of water - that is, stable water - where you can see it as a liquid - not\n    as a gas.
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It is very complex molecule system - so if we look at the electron cloud of water itself, it has a geometric triangle and when you put the 2 tetrahedrons\n    together in 3 D - we get a star tetrahedron - like the Star of David - and in ice crystals - It starts to show us the secrets that are in the water.
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Alvin mentions the Israeli flag and that inside - in the middle is a tiny dot. That this is very important - as it puts the whole Star of David into context.
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Alvin refers to Job in the Bible to verses 38 & 39 - where Job, whom Alvin’s says was like a scientist - and these verses give more detailed information\n    on the creation and the makeup of the world and nature. 'That God formed the earth, set its structure, put bounds to keep the sea under control, created all the heavenly bodies, and even controls the weather. Also the order of seasons, the power of waves and storms, the beauty of trees and flowers and lakes and mountains - all point to a benevolent Creator who made and sustains this world. We can find something about God by looking carefully at the world that God has made.'\n
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Alvin talks of water being a compound substance - yet not a substance of itself - and also that we humans are made of this same substance - that an adult\n    human is about 65 % water, newborn babies 85% or more.
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He says that \"we are consciousness in a water body.\"
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Stating that in quantum mechanics scientists are very focussed on researching water - but this needs far more support and finance etc.
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The numbers 3, 6 and 9 are very important - the frequency of everything is allied to these numbers. (I did not ask him why oils for human health are graded\n    as Omega 3, 6, and 9 as the narrative was moving quite rapidly at that time.)
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Alvin talks about the illusionary world that we inhabit in that everything is energy and that oscillates at a particular frequency on this particular dimension\n    - Listen         \n
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Water has Memory
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Water has Memory - see in this video clip by Greg Braden and Bruce Lipton of the latest computers in Silicon Valley -beyond silicon and are now using water.  Just  26 to 107 seconds in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZleBHyaeSM - 
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Alvin also had contact with Jacques Benveniste, a top-level French biochemist of impeccable scientific credentials, who gave the world the 'memory of water'.\n    Talking about hexagonal water, plus his controversial experiment into the efficacy of homeopathy. It can be noted that all over France and Germany\n    today are homeopaths and there are thousands of homeopathic practitioners and outlets for homeopathic tinctures. The British Royal Family always use\n    homeopathics and rarely become ill, though meeting thousands of people and have done so for 150 years.  https://www.britishhomeopathic.org/\n
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Other Subjects Covered.

Masaru Emoto the Japanese water and ice scientist and his photographs of frozen thought\n    forms in ice.Water, Consciousness & Intent: Dr. Masaru Emoto - YouTube  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8\n
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Viktor Schauberger the Austrian, known as the Father of Water and living energies.   Viktor Schauberger | World Living Water Systems Ltd.           https://www.alivewater.com/viktor-schauberger 
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\n    Phi 1.618 Golden mean
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https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/planes-dumped-hundreds-of-tonnes-of-fuel-over-canada-in-2016\n    
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And many other startling subjects too profound to cover here. However, if you listen - this will be revealed - as Alvin unveils how thought and love make up an even far greater story. \n    
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A wonderful interview. - A Must Listen\n    
 
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Alvin Crosby\n    
 
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http://acqua.co.nz/about/\n
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This was that provided Aucklanders and their elected representatives can become ‘ecologically conscious’ at this critical time of changing climate and\n    insect decline. If the vision articulated by Sarah can be picked up by other cities across the whole of New Zealand, maybe - just maybe - New Zealand\n    can hold its head up high as being a ‘clean green nation.’ A big ask? Yes, but the groundswell and grassroots support are growing far more as we realise\n    the seriousness of our changing planet and biosphere.
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The Love of Bee’s project - is an artwork and a framework for inviting people to engage in new possibilities - it transforms. Like something that may be\n    considered a problem and is then rendered into something that we can co-create, re-arrange and re-design together. So the project people, use bees\n    as a magnet - it works up our hearts and invites people to imagine that Auckland is the safest city on earth for bees. This is also where they can\n    learn practical skills around the life cycle of bees and the flora that supports bees.
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This is to make it easier for bees to be able to fly the 3 - 5 ks in search of nectar, etc. Especially the space that they travel in, has to be as safe\n    as possible - and Sarah’s team, helps people learn regenerative organic practices so as to give the bees the best chance - to pollinate flowers to\n    enable the highest proportion possible, of flower fertilisation.
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Urban Farming - food growing in the city
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With land that has been obtained at 527 Symonds St, Auckland city, along with a growing community of dedicated friends, they are focussing on the possibilities\n    of 'urban farming' - regenerative organic urban farming and also creating strategies to deal with our climate change obligations.
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Sarah talks about being given this small section of land to use in Central City, Symond's St, to experiment with, but for only a year - however as an artwork\n    as well the brief that they are working with, they are looking to develop what they call climate change ready infrastructure. She believes that local\n    urban farms and local living 'compost hubs' in unified projects gives them the capacity to develop 10 climate change ready values - which include carbon\n    sequestration - biodiversity - wellbeing - water retention capacities - heat sinks - food security - local jobs - the transformation of food scraps\n    into a useful resource - air filtration - social cohesion and - optimism.
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So organic regenerative urban farms across Auckland, is an idea that is being seeded as a way forward and that with education and enthusiasm this will\n    help make Auckland become far more bee friendly.
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City Insect pollination (bees) is an imperative
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Where cities were focused on infrastructure of roads and buildings, more cities today are wanting people friendly spaces and flowering trees, shrubs and\n    flowers are becoming more common place overseas, where conscious decision making is benevolently changing the environment. In Japan, they are looking\n    at bees as a means to pollinate flowers that are fragrant and that in Tokyo and other cities, they have focussed on this so that flower scents and\n    fragrances enable people to feel more at ease and happier. So much, that the crime rate actually falls - due to the sense of peace and contentment\n    within that larger community https://www.urbandesignmentalhealth.com/journal-3---tokyo-case-study.html\n
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That there was measurable outcome of less violence - even if they may not call it resonance - but something happened, that softened the vibes.
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Need for more flowers across cities and urban areas.
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Sarah talks about the lack of flowers in cities and even here in NZ, this has a detrimental effect on bees - because with no nectar and or pollen - survival\n    becomes very challenging - also in Spring you can have many bees and flowers but as Autumn comes with still many bees - but not enough flowers then\n    going into Winter … survival becomes a problem. Note some apiaries are fed sugar during winter to keep the hive alive.
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She says that for a bee colony to survive it needs a staggering number of flowers - to supply the needs of the bee colony being vital and flourishing.
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One teaspoon of honey is equal to 12 bee lives of flying, foraging collecting and storing.
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Honey is not only for the bees sustenance but also used so as to make wax. Seven ounces of honey is needed to produce one ounce of wax. There is a good\n    amount of wax needed for the bees to make the hexagonal structure in frames so as to store honey and incubate the pupae - baby bees.
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By planting more flowers that flower all year around is very important, but quality too is important and this impels us to look at our horticulture, agriculture\n    and also our weed control strategies.
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Herbicide Sprays are decimating the Insect Kingdom\n
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Simply put, we have pesticides, herbicides, insecticides and fungicides - in our ecosystem now. That we have become so addicted to them and that we have\n    forgotten how to operate without them, that we have on many levels completely degraded the ecosystem. Hard core herbicides like glyphosate, which is\n    now banned in France - is taking its toll on the natural world.
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Compost and Humus = Healthy Soil and Healthy Plants.
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Sarah, talks about healthy vital plants and that if we are giving them the best of soil, and humus, water and light etc - you do not need to concern yourself\n    with pests. If you have unhealthy plants - the pests can pick up the 'distress signals' from the unhealthy plant and so will attack and eat them. Listen\n    as Sarah takes us on a journey into how the plant does life, in orchestrating a homeostatic relationship with the microflora. Especially how the plants\n    infra red light flashes signalling to pests that it is unhealthy and that its defences are weak - enticing the insect pests to come and eat and or\n    lay their eggs on the leaf. Which means that this plant now a goner.
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Listen …\n
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In New Zealand there are 28 native bees - yes this is true\n    
Dr Ngaire Hart PHD nee in Auckland is mentioned for her work on native bees\n    
https://www.fortheloveofbees.co.nz/ngairehart
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NZ Farms that are Growing Soil and Humus
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Christine Jones PhD from Australia is recommended by Sarah -\n    
https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/dr-christine-jones-regenerative-land-management-biological-farming-sequestering-atmospheric-c02\n
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Agrisea bio stimulants https://agrisea.co.nz/industries/dairy/pasture-nutrition/\n
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Hear about a farming couple near Taupo over a 3-4 year period they used bio stimulants - changed their grazing practices and grew their soils by a number\n    of inches - then Christine returned and she had them do another test and then introduced multiple plants into their paddocks - so they drilled in 18\n    different plant species into their worst paddock and 5 months later Christine was on that paddock again. They then dug down in numerous areas of their\n    paddocks and to their surprise they had built up the soil by one and half spade depths - in 5 months!
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 Because with all these different plant species added to the paddock - (along with Agrisea’s ocean mineral products) - like in rainforest - diversity builds resilience\n
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Also mentioned is Ernest Gotsch - Syntropic farming in Brazil - and this fantastic 2 minute video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stABAx82TbY\n
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Sarah talks about Climate change as now the 'evolutionary driver' for us as a humanity to come together and collaborate and cooperate to initiate the much\n    needed changes to curtail all of our wasteful ways - that have been happening over a very broad spectrum.
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She talked about projects become silo’ed and end up factionalised. That we have to think and visualise holistically and actively engage in ways of conflict\n    resolution and fine innovative methods to find ways to bring opposing points of view to reconcile - to work toward a win-win situation - especially for the sake of children and those to come.\n
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What I intuitively got from this interview is that Sarah is inclusive - there is room for everyone - we can not go on following the same\n    patterns - stopping silofication of projects is an imperative - we have much more to agree on than to disagree on. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Desilofication\n
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Big Changes Needed.
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She wants big changes in how the city does business - that there are now many volunteers working as ‘a labour of love’ - who need to be trained up to be\n    able to be paid for running very focused composting and urban farms - listen for the fullness of this.
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Shared Opportunity 
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That instead of one or two business running everything that it needs to be a shared opportunity across the whole the city - where participants are empowered\n    to initiate the much needed changes for Auckland to be a world leading city that is 'ecologically conscious.' That our strategies need to be diversified\n    - just like soil systems need to be diversified - this is where the whole impetus is heading - especially if we want to change the paradigm before\n    climate change and insect losses become beyond critical. We need to act now
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Sarah acknowledges Richard Main, Trish Allen and Kay Baxter - for holding the vision of a healthy organic, regenerative future.\n
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Sarah said that she is called the 'bee lady' - but she says she really is the biology lady ….\n
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A wonderful interview ...\n
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Sarah Smuts-Kennedy
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https://www.fortheloveofbees.co.nz/\n
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For the Love of Bees is a concept that helps seemingly unrelated ecological projects become one cohesive action via the lens of bees.
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Auckland today has 100 community gardens in all - 75 as a result of Richard and his small team and 25 other independent community gardens. We now ask -\n    what does this effort portend for a healthy, ecological and socially coherent Auckland? 
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With the original intention to combat, diabetes 2, obesity and heart disease - this initiative has over 2,000 participants and growing. There are hundreds\n    of others involved that are now taking these learned skills back to their backyard at home. 
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Today - especially with COVID lockdowns it's imperative to become very localised and grow your own healthy, organic food. Once empowered to garden and produce your own food - a certain amount of fulfilment and independence emerges.  No matter what - 'the time is now' to start growing your own food, even if it is just parsley and chives. Start today.  We cannot rely on current 'factory and industrial' food to offer you and your family total health and vitality. \n
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NZ a Nation of interlinked Community Gardens?
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We ask, can Auckland be the template for the whole of NZ, becoming interlinked in a vast network of community gardens nationwide?
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Imagine if this could be championed by someone - so that no child would go to bed hungry, when it has been ascertained that when the new Government took\n    power in NZ, 18 months ago there was said to be 295,000 children living under the 60% income poverty line in New Zealand. That being 28% of all children.
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That today 155,000 children are living in material hardship in New Zealand. That is 14% of all children. How could this come about in this country?
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It is a known, that high quality whole food and vegetables, preferably organic has a very beneficial effect on brain function.
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When we feed our brain, the dendrites are able to function to their highest potentiality - and in the decades to come - we need to have all children living\n    at optimum levels of being. That nutrient dense food, in a loving family setting - is an imperative.
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Community Gardens 
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Cooperative Community Gardens are increasing throughout the suburbs of greater Auckland and this subject is becoming a talking point for people wanting\n    increasingly better health, wellbeing and a feeling of connection with community working together in camaraderie and joy.
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Availability of land is becoming an issue.
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Obtaining the use of more land is becoming a priority. As we all know, land is at a premium and Richard is keen to find more opportunities for land to\n    be gifted, even for a few years. So if you know of any situation, he and his team would be very keen to hear from you.
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Free Practical Advise
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Gardens4Health provides free, practical advice and support to community groups, organisations, workplaces and schools for the setting up of new community\n    gardens and ongoing maintenance of existing gardens. The Gardens4Health team is currently involved in over 50 community gardens or initiatives across\n    Auckland and provides access to a wide network of other gardens and useful resources.
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Being a gardening expert is not required, but time, enthusiasm, and commitment are. The experienced Gardens4Health team are there to provide practical\n    advice and support for all seasons of food gardening in Auckland conditions.
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He aha te kai o te Rangitira? He Korero, he korero, he korero.
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What is the food of the leader? It is knowledge, it is communication.
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Richard is very embedded in community and garden settings - and it shows across a greater scope as in physical health of good high quality organic food,\n    but the mental health of working with fellow humans with a common aim. Plus, with the added surroundings of nature and of both plants and flowers -\n    caresses - ones soul - giving all involved - a deep sense of peace.
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Richard says that working alongside various Pacific Island groups, Moslem women, Maori, Hindu, and many other ethnic and cultural groups, too many to mention\n    here, it has allowed him to experience deeply, the happiness of people working and even singing together.\n    
 
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The camaraderie and friendship of working the soil and bringing forth a huge array of fresh vital vegetables and fruit gives everyone involved - immense\n    satisfaction - that when shared with family and friends validates the vision of the good people behind this in the Health Board and Councils involved.
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The world is in a dire state.
Climate change is lapping at our doors.
It is estimated that one fifth of the world’s population will become climate migrants, if they survive at all.
Global food security will be severely impacted. With food shortages, food prices spike.
There will be more floods, droughts, and forest fires.
Sea level rise will affect many places around the country and houses will become uninhabitable.    
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The world economy is unstable. At any time your local ATM could be shut and you could be unable to withdraw money. For how long you don’t know.\n    
World trade could collapse as money markets fail.\n    
 
If we don’t stop the widespread use of insecticides and herbicides the world will see an insect collapse in 100 years, which will cause the biosphere\nto collapse.. However our food supply will basically be destroyed at only a 75% loss.\n
How will we survive the next few decades if no changes are made to our lifestyles?
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Lisa is asking us to get real and look at our uncertain future, and then do something about it.
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What if?
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Last year Lisa had no power for 4 days after a large storm hit Auckland and so experienced living with no electricity for that time. So she had to buy\n    a BBQ, which she was able to drive and buy - so she was ok with cooking for those 4 days. She also had ready access to food and a generator to keep\n    the freezer working.
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But, what if a crisis was for a longer period? That it was city wide, provincial, or national? Fortunately Auckland has a gravity fed water reticulation\n    system, from large storage facilities (with diesel generators as backup) - so water in most situations will get to everyone’s homes, as long as the\n    economy is functioning.
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If food in supermarkets runs out?
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It is no good saying that you will be ok because you are off the grid or growing all your own food.
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If there’s a major crisis there is the possibility of armed and desperate people coming in and taking all your vegetables from your garden and food from\n    your house. We need to have in place staple food and essentials in localised storage facilities that is readily accessible for the supermarkets in\n    the city?
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Lisa states that if NZ put in place a well thought out strategy and plan to deal what nature or the global financial system issues occur - then NZ is well\n    placed to weather it out. The proviso being - that the political process is involved.
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So what does one do to make us resilient and more self reliant? We have to look at electricity, transport and food, especially food, and find efficient\n    ways to get these items to people everywhere in the city and regions in the case of a major emergency or long term crisis .
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Planning from both Central and Local Government.
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This has to be planned for at both Local Government level and at Governmental levels. Lisa said contact both Local and Central Government and ask them\n    what contingencies they have for this? Local Governments are easier to contact and have influence as well as contacts in Central Government.
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Electricity Needs
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In 2017 - 82% of NZ electrical needs were from renewables
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In 2007 Helen Clark when PM set a national target of 90% renewables by 2025. With wind energy to make up most of this increase. Which is exceptionally\n    and good for our country. Making it exceptionally high by world standards. 
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Lisa mentioned if a category 5 storm hit Auckland we could be without power for several weeks as a huge number of lines would be down.
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However she says the key to this is preparation and in Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania in the USA - they are factoring in their cities future to be more green\n    and aware.
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http://pittsburghpa.gov/dcp/sustainability-resilience 
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Auckland Council’s website is a page where you can leave suggestions for consideration …. so she wants us all to support innovative ways to make\n    Auckland (and New Zealand) resilient. However, there are some things that have to be done through Central Government as well.
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https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/environment/educationsustainability/Pages/sustainability-education-programmes.aspx    
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Creating Money within New Zealand 
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Lisa wants the Reserve Bank of NZ to create money, not private banking, as in the NZ Social Credit Party’s financial policy. As a small country we might\n    be able to get away with it, and not have the overseas bankers turn the screws on us. But, she said that if there was a crisis - all the major countries\n    would be crisis too. https://socialcredit.nz Supporting local banks and co-operatives is\n    also essential
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So we need to be aware and prepare.
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Oil Needs
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Tim - NZ has the capacity to extract both oil and gas. We need to have enough to keep every truck and bus running on NZ roads and Lisa mentioned back in\n    the 1970's, with the oil problems, that we in NZ had carless days.
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We have 3 months of stored fuel in the country as an emergency measure, but Lisa mentions no food is currently stored. Most NZ wheat is now is grown in\n    Australia and processed there too. As Dr Janice Priest mentioned a few weeks ago in a GreenplanetFM interview Australian wheat is a strain that is\n    heavy in gluten, whereas NZ’s previous wheat had far less gluten.
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All of our rice is grown overseas - and Lisa says it's a big Achilles heel, that needs to be seriously addressed. Many other staples have to be imported\n    rather than being grown here.
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She mentions a TV series in Britain many years ago where a virus caused mass deaths and what few survivors there were had to scavenge and eventually fight\n    for food and she says hungry people will fight till the death - that it was a very dark story - so why not prepare for the future especially as climate\n    change may have unparalleled effects.
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Transition Towns
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Tim mentions 'Transition Towns' is operating in a number of places in NZ.
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http://www.transitiontowns.org.nz - Originally it was set up in response arising from climate\n    change, resource depletion and an economy based on growth. 
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Lisa says they at one level are fantastic but asks if they have solutions for a crisis in a large city.
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Farmers Markets
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Tim mentions that in the meantime farmers markets are a way forward and you can network from there and build relationships and have also sales of items\n    other than food. 
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/mark-spelding-thames-coromandel-localised-nz-communities-which-connect-and-prosper    
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/jeff-griggs-transition-towns-mens-sheds-localised-food    
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Community Gardens across the Nation?
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We hear that the Manukau Health Board are involved with 75 community gardens in their area and there are a further 25 community gardens happening in the\n    Auckland City area. This too is a good start to enable community to come together and meet and cooperate and collaborate. There are many different\n    ethnic groups as wells cultures involved, being a great melting pot.
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http://www.dpt.org.nz 
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Living Economies - Is Very important
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https://livingeconomies.nz 
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Tim mentions Living Economies - a NZ web site that can help anyone anywhere develop a system for your local community - especially setting up a Time Bank\n    as well as Financial Pools and creating Green dollars and they have all the connections for you - just go up to LivingEconomies.nz and you can download computer programs to set up a Time Bank for example. Learn about Local money (also known\n    as local currencies or complementary currencies) which is an approach to trading using voluntary vouchers (like “green dollars”) or tokens (print or\n    electronic) instead of legal tender (such as New Zealand Dollars).
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Project Lyttelton have over 700 people with their time bank for example.
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Project Lyttelton a very good role model 
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We also learn that Project Lyttelton was very prepared for the devastating Earthquake that struck Christchurch in 2011 and they were pivotal in saving\n    lives, because they had a telephone tree and so many people knew each other and being experienced in cooperation that the Civil Defence HQ recommend\n    that all communities follow the way Project Lyttelton has gone about pulling the strings of community together.
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Project Lyttelton received letters of thank you from the NZ Police, St Johns Ambulance, the Fire Brigade, the NZ Navy and especially Civil Defence, due\n    to the fact they were able to mobilise rapidly and work tirelessly for the benefit of the community. 
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/margaret-jefferies-project-lyttleton-sustainable-community-building-christchurch    
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Neighbourly - Lisa says this is important for us to either be aware of and or join. 
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https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8ZaZwPXP4QIVSyQrCh1j7wMjEAAYASAAEgKJ_fD_BwE    
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Get Through - is a New Zealand Government sponsored website giving pointers to prepare ourselves for emergencies and other contingencies with at least\n    3 days of water, 3 days with of food and other preparations, like First Aid kits, batteries for radios, etc . This is good preparation for storms or\n    earthquakes.
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http://getthru.govt.nz 
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We Need a Champion 
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It would be good to have a New Zealander of sufficient mana to champion the need for a secure long term future to both Local and Central Government. Please\n    assist us in finding this champion.
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Lisa also mentions what other future challenges there are.
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Insect collapse - If we carry on the same agricultural and chemical practices scientists state that 100 years out we will be in a dire situation, so we\n    need to stop using pesticides and herbicides. The drop in numbers of bees and Monarch butterflies is showing us we are taking down our future.
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Note that there are no insects on your car windscreen or moths at night or when you do not draw the curtains or close the blinds. Why?
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Get off insecticides Neonicotinoids is the number one culprit for the decline of bees.
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https://www.beyondpesticides.org/programs/bee-protective-pollinators-and-pesticides/chemicals-implicated    
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Go organic but first transition via Biological and Regenerative agriculture.
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Do a search in GreenplanetFM.com 
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Now that France has finally banned glyphosate and now Monsanto products. Can NZ follow?
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Lisa mentions Auckland Council contractors are using glyphosate which is very problematic, but so are home owners and farmers. Glyphosate / Roundup is\n    a disaster. It is contaminating our food and killing grasses and weeds where insect lavae live and birds feed, and is now found in our bodies owing\n    to its prevalent use.
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Sikkim in India goes organic.
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The state of Sikkim gets a jump on NZ agriculture. Why can’t NZ follow?
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https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/gk-current-affairs/story/sikkim-becomes-world-s-first-organic-state-wins-oscar-for-best-policies-by-un-1369158-2018-10-16    
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Lisa also mentions possible economic collapse. Some people are keen to go self sufficient but how do old people and retirement villages survive such challenges.\n    Not everyone is young enough or fit enough to grow their own food. What are the contingency plans for those who can’t do their own gardening, and if\n    there is flood, fire or drought, growing our own food wouldn’t be much help anyway.
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Tim mentions that all the parks and golf courses in cities can be dug up and put into gardens - realising that the golf course greens would be very chemically\n    toxic. But, this could be doable in a prolonged emergency.
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There were many other interesting subjects mentioned in this interview.
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Lisa talks about strong visionary leadership that can direct what needs to be done to manage the future. She says we must prepare now and not wait until\n    it is too late. She says a government Think Tank, or similar, is needed to study where this country is insecure.
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New Zealand must be self sufficient in food, go local, and be prepared to cope not only with our own climate migrants, but with those from overseas.
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Climate change will transform more than 143 million\n    people into “climate migrants” escaping crop failure, water scarcity, and sea-level rise, a new World Bank report concludes. See here -https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/climate-migrants-report-world-bank-spd/ 
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Nature is our teacher
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Darren as a child was influenced very much by his grandfather who had a wide ranging understanding of farming in the rural sector of sun affected Australia,\n        where water was a major priority as well as the need for trees and the protection they offered.
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So this early education, became critical in his connection to nature and recognising what this hardy land produced. Especially his relationship to\n        the Australian flora and fauna, and with the added factor that he was quite well read - played a large part in his life when growing up.
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He now sees his life learnings and that of the ‘Regrarian’ revolution as becoming the broad church of ‘regenerative agriculture’ - that focuses a wealth\n        of attention on forestry (trees) and water. Added to this was that central Victoria, the region that he lived in happened to be the epicentre of\n        organic farming.
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Becoming Knowledgeable 
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During his calling, he has over the years given about 250 Regrarian courses around the world - in about 50 countries - he calls himself as basically\n        ‘a sink’ having been able to take in a huge amount of information as well as glean knowledge from the many people he has rubbed shoulders with.\n        He says that this has been his intention as he feels that he has very good observational skills, which are very important - in that when we look\n        at what a farmer is - they have to be very good at working the land, engaging in drainage, creating swales, tree visioning, fencing, crop rotation.\n        Plus the need to observe the weather, wind direction, the movement of birds flying - aware of temperatures, barometric pressure, sniff the air,\n        and feel the texture of the soil in one’s hands etc. It’s grokking every nuance of the natural world.
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Internet a Critical Component of Rural Communication
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Darren says that the internet now is becoming a very critical component in sharing not only ideas but connecting farmers over a huge distance and can\n        constantly keep them in the loop as to very current happenings as they occur, especially sharing critical information be it drought resistant methods,\n        or establishing innovative ways of feeding plants, including making compost or and humus in critical weather events and other untimely occurrences\n        that may quickly appear.
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He also says that the most successful pathways will be from farmer to farmer - sharing tips etc as opposed to going through a consultant or a Govt\n        official - and the costs that are involved, can be heavily reduced.
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He emoted that he and others in the movement are very excited that they can facilitate the rapid movement of information to assist farmers. Especially\n        producer to producer
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Holistic Perspectives are Important.
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Being involved in the ‘holistic land management movement’ and the methods of integrating with the ‘key line’ plan and design - by the late PA Yoeman’s\n        and by extension Allan Savory - has extended his observation and understanding of grazing cattle and ruminants.
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He also talks about the holistic way of being able to self determine what you want out of your future and what to do with your land in relationship\n        to the whole. He said you have to recognise where you are at, (and not at) how resourced you are internally and where your land is at. Is it broken\n        in land, or is it ,say bush and scrub, with no fences, cattle races, drainage etc.
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Restructuring One’s Life
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He talks about debt and ratio that can lead to serfdom, if you are not aware as to how to handle this. Like, it’s about restructuring ones life.
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These are practical matters that he sees and that farmers to be have to get a handle on - they need to be talked about and talked out.
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10% of Australian farmers are now doing ecological agriculture but a good percentage are still waiting on the evidence as well as the market to change.\n        This other 90% group find it difficult due to their debt to equity ratio as well as their inability to finance the transition - and if your soil\n        is lifeless - this can be quite a challenge. Same for the availability of water.
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In the US the biggest movement that has been identified is that there are 3 different strands of Regenerative Agriculture.\n        
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These are the Regrarians and Permaculture practices.
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Then the Savory Institute https://www.savory.global with its holistic management system and\n        then there is the cover cropping and soil knowledge - led by Gabe Brown - http://brownsranch.us.\n        
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The third still focuses on wheat, so the change is not as great as they can still use the tech that they uses - ie. harvesters and seed sowers etc
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For grazers the change too is not a big change - fencing being a important component - electric fence developed in 1936–1937 by New Zealand inventor\n        Bill Gallagher.
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But, for a cereal grower to go from non organic to organic that is a huge change and very challenging.
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Darren emphasises that we have to be very honest with yourself around being self determined and have all the available information - to make all of\n        your decisions from being very well informed. He does not want people to diss-enable themselves by making decisions that have not been fully understood\n        and researched. That the following generation on that land need to have the best possible start in this new land management system.
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Keyline Method.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyline_design\n    
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 There are 10 points of Regrarian agriculture of which two have been added to P. A. Yeomans\n    
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One to 8 as the scale of permanence. Yoemans work not really holistic, but definitely broke into new territory that excuse the pun. was groundbreaking.
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Other Topics Covered.
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Greg & Rachel Hart in there Southern Hawkes Bay Farm - that they are brave going outside the box - and doing a deal with Air NZ to plant trees\n        and sequester aircraft carbon dioxide. 
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/greg-hart-new-zealand-pioneer-of-the-family-farm-on-regenerative-agriculture-restoring-ecosystem\n    
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Darren maintains that NZ agriculture is very innovative by world standards.
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European Farmers are Heavily Subsidised 
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Within the OECD - The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development NZ farmers receive the least subsidies. Where as the EU farmers get 50%\n        of their farm income from Government subsidies. This is why Darren is impressed with the resiliency of the kiwi farmer.
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He also mentions that farming has entered a new phase of rural resettlement and it is happening globally.
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Far more people are doing degrees and diplomas and as a result farming is increasing. With 7.7 billion people and 5 5 billion hectares of agricultural\n        land = about 7,000 square meters for each person. However, one figure is going up and the is other going down, yet he says we need more people\n        in the production of food, fibre and energy crops.
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He mentions Harry Weir of KiwiTech International in Bulls, NZ as very capable - a genius in productivity - based around land, family, and society sales@kiwitech.co.nz
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Nutrient dense foods Jairo Estrepo from Columbia and his use of Chromatography to give you a soil/element read out
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http://www.ragmans.co.uk/learn_with_us/courses/regenerative_agriculture_and_chromatography_id_65\n    
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Cost is about $1.00 a sample - It gives you a read out about the minerals and living organism in the soil and can assess the mineral availability that\n        comes from our food. Darren says this tech bridges both chemistry and biology and it’s an important tech to assist us. That humans and their needs\n        are more complex - and Darren talks to that. That new fertilisers are now being put together to address all sorts of soil conditions .
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Darren talks with clients about honesty - it’s a big question - especially that we don’t use claims of others - unless you can verify by testing these\n        claims yourself.
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Key line plan - is a farm planning method that in Yoemans words - controls water which is to control a greater part of your agricultural destiny …\n        listen
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Even if you only get 8 inches of rainfall, Yoeman reckoned that you could survive on a farm - that’s a lot of acreage of water - what are you doing\n        with it?
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Dr Rattan Lal, who is known as the soil god from University of Ohio in the USA - If we increase the soil carbon content by about one and half % in\n        all of the world’s arable soils where we basically have the greatest influence - then that would draw down and sequester about 100 parts per million\n        of Co2 which would bring us down to pre industrial levels - but have we the will?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTb63CDJ5sA\n    
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In finishing Darren said that humans must start behaving like perennial species - not annuals - and look further ahead in time.\n        
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That we also can take agriculture into more innovative areas by doing novel seed coatings and adding mycorrhiza fungimixtures to soils etc - plus compost\n        teas …
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My final question to Darren, was that seeing he is constantly on the land, does he get a sense of our planet as a greater being - like indigenous peoples\n        do? And he said that yes - there is a far greater presence than is acknowledged by the so called Western understanding of the world - or words\n        to this affect - have a listen - his answer will delight you
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http://www.regrarians.org/about/darren-j-doherty-cv\n    
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Trish tells of the story of Rainbow Valley Farm that she and her late husband Joe Polaischer, manifested together. It was their inspiration and creative\n    choice to find solutions. This whole process allowed her to experience Permaculture in action and especially how it empowered both her and Joe, to\n    action.
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And this started a 25 year long adventure with her and Joe together. By finding a piece of run down farmland in Matakana they turned it into an oasis.\n    It had previously a tough history and because it was not expensive they could afford it. The early European farmers had cut down all the forest of\n    the step hills that was once rainforest land - the soils were fragile so with what little topsoil cover that was left, was washed away into the stream\n    and then out into the harbour.\n    
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What was left of the land was very poor - and infested with pests, kikuyu (Kenyan grass) and eroded. But, it was an amazing opportunity to restore the\n    land and bring back it back to fertility. 
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Within 25 years it became a permaculture paradise - with a low ecological footprint - growing their own organic food - getting the microorganisms back\n    into the soil - and it was basically just them, however as time went by more people became interested and they received more and more visitors. 
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Then education started, the local school classes used to come and visit. Then universities and Unitech. They then built a non toxic mud back house with\n    earth roof. Attracting the interest of architects and designers. This led to all types of workshops being run. 
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From mud brick making, composting toilets, mud brick making, shingles and shakes - composting - worm farming - then, introduction to Permaculture courses\n    and Permaculture design courses 2 week intensive design courses. It just continued to grow.
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In 1991 their first course was, how to reduce your household rubbish 'a zero waste workshop' and Trish is still doing 'zero waste' 31 years later They\n    wasted nothing on the farm.
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Though she said their biggest job was to grow microorganisms in the soil.- They also planted 800 fruit and nut trees, and were involved in starting the\n    Farmers Market in Matakana Village. Selling fruit, veggies, plants, flowers, plus eggs. They also had bees and used to sell honey.
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Joe wanted to grow rice too and ended up growing about 50 kilos per annum. Plus mushrooms in a shady moist environment - he inoculated logs with shiitake\n    mushroom spores and had a large production of shitaki, namiko and also oyster mushrooms.
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With fresh milk from the house cow - came butter, yogurt and cheese. Also farmed were sheep and kuni kuni pigs and all numbers of poultry, chickens, ducks,\n    guinea fowl, pigeons, turkeys - it was a real old McDonalds farm. The pigs were expert at ridding kikuyu and their waste fertilised the soil, immensely\n    and building up its fertility.
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One of the main principles of Permaculture - was to use and value biological resources.
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Poultry were part of their integrated pest management systems - slugs snails - all gone - it saved using machines that use non renewable energy like fossil\n    fuels.
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Inside their newly built mud brick house they put a wet back in the fireplace. These are so important as especially during winter it heated water that\n    was then stored in the hot water cylinder for when needed - but the fireplace could be used for cooking too as well as baking as they had a very large\n    fire stove as well. 
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Multi functional use is a principle of Permaculture. So that every function should have multiple elements.
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Inclusive of passive solar design and energy efficiency - keeping the house warm in winter and cool in summer. Angle of the eaves being important.
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Winter sun is lower in the sky so it shines under the eaves into the house warming the walls and floor tiles inside, as a heat sink - and in summer the\n    sun more directly overhead shines down and the house is more in shade.
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The roof was a grass roof of flowers that Trish laughingly says, kept the honey bees supported. She also mentioned that as they took away an area of mother\n    nature with the footprint of their dwelling, by putting grass and flowers as the roof, they put back into nature an area to again rebalance the equation.
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Post Rainbow Valley
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In her recent activities since the untimely death off dear Joe, the farm was sold off as it was too large a project for Trish alone, she now has a small\n    house in Matakana on 1/4 of an acre with it all built on Permaculture principles - constructed of local wood and she even exports excess solar power\n    back into NZ’s electricity grid - which she is paid for. She has also squeezed into her plot, 50 fruit trees, nearly every type of fruit that you can\n    grow in NZ.
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She has her own heating system, like at Rainbow Valley, and she mentions that:
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With household fires in the city, towns and villages - you can’t ‘dampen' your fire down - and you must not burn wood that has been treated with chemicals\n    used against rot. You can not burn treated wood and have the smoke settle over the community.
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She has woollen insulation in the walls And her ceiling she has ‘green stuff’ shredded plastic bottles that is very fine and does the work like pink batts\n    does. It looks like feldt.
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Create no waste - not just minimising waste - don’t create it if possible.
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Other subjects covered in the interview
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Building up relationships with fellow gardeners etc
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There are many cooperative gardens in towns and villages - like Kelmarna Gardens in Grey Lynn and now there is one in Matakana (see below).
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Zero Waste is one of Trish’s favourite subjects - our throw away society can not throw itself away - the imperative is, that we have to be far more mindful\n    of what we are doing , especially for our children's future.
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We have become extractors of our planet taking huge amounts of resources from it and we are not nearly conscious enough of how we deal with the waste stream\n    after use. This has to be urgently addressed.
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Localising Community Resilience
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Trish talks about the charitable trust that she has just formed, called 'Mahurangi Waste Busters' and its mission is to divert waste from landfills - recover\n    resources - recycle, reduce, repair - plus advise with waste education .
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Especially courses on how to reduce your household rubbish … these are all well attended, plus there is now a Repair Cafe (in Matakana) which is\n    now part of a worldwide movement, where residents can bring broken items of anything, especially furniture that can be repaired and fixed if possible.\n    It started in Holland in 2009. With it all being done by enthusiastic volunteers. This is a way to save items that were destined to end up in a landfill\n    somewhere Such as a toaster, a chair with a broken leg or maybe a bicycle that is in need of TLC and maintenance etc. The volunteers even show them\n    how to fix these items too!
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It's all about community and community spirit - be part of something greater - its a group sharing as there is coffee and tea served. plus home made cooking\n    of cakes and biscuits etc - a wonderful time to connect and make new friends.
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Mahurangi Waste Busters now manager waste at local community events aiming for Zero Waste - they have recently involved themselves in two local festivals\n    and managed a 96% diversion rate from landfill. Which shows \"where there is a will, there is a way!\"
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Trish wants to set up community recycle centres in her region. She also gave a shout out for Extreme Zero Waste in Raglan who are an inspiration for the\n    whole country.
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Other Subject Matter discussed
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A new Community Garden in Matakana many people showed up as they were very interested, plus 50 people turned up for the 1st working bee. what was so inspirational\n    was that so many businesses donated items, tools and articles to make this a superb success.
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There is a weekly green swap meet in Matakana as well, where they build up lovely networks. 
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Once a month they may visit a local persons garden and see what is grown and gain tips as to new ways one can go about composting mulching, harvesting,\n    pest management etc etc. These visits are very heart warming.
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So this was Trish’s story and it was and continues to be - a lovely one.
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Weather forecasters and meteorological services are equally puzzled and in many ways shrug this off to 'climate change' and the increase of greenhouse\n    gasses. Yet, some argue - this is an easy way out.
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However, more astute researchers, albeit some amateurs among them are noticing many irregularities and are finding certain weather patterns incongruent\n    with normal meteorological ones.
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Global weather systems are definitely changing, but so is the geophysical realm as well.
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In this interview Nigel informs about some of the variables that seem to stand out as being very irregular.
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He also talks about his prediction regarding the 2016 Kaikoura earthquake in the South Island of New Zealand. Based around a supermoon and various weather\n    patterns and ‘anomalies' that could not be explained and he tells how when he went to the NZ Met service to share his insights that they, in his words\n    'mocked him' when he tells them of his research .
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He uses the example of boom box stereo in cars – you know - boooom booom boombth boooom vibration that shakes the windows and floor of your car in the\n    next lane – and there are also other frequencies that can vibrate at other levels. With seismic testing (in this case for oil) and the added influence\n    of lunar forces, tides and gravity etc he said that: \"These earthquakes are not man made - but man induced\".\n    
The interview covers new technologies from Tesla to HAARP as well as what the human race has to do to become aware. Especially that secret military\n        budgets, are sucking up money that know one knows what it is being spent on.
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Is Our Government Intentionally Hiding $21 Trillion In Spending?\n        
Jul 21, 2018 - This column is co-authored with Mark Skidmore, a Professor of Economics at Michigan State University.
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Also, that with such overwhelming information that we individually have to become 'fully resourced within.' That at heart we need to have a very strong\n        determination not to allow these subjects to take us down. Having purpose and a spiritual resolve is an imperative during these tumultuous of times.
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International Media
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When the Earthquake happened in Kaikoura NZ on the 14 November 2016, Nigel received a lot of international media attention after his predictive Facebook\n        post on 6th November. However, he talks of attacks on his character, both public and private. He said he just wants to know what’s going on in\n        the world. He is just inquisitive to how nature and life works.
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Note, Steffan Browning the ex Member of Parliament for the NZ Green Party mentioned that there was a large floating oil corporation ‘seismic’ barge\n        situated off the East coast of South Island between Christchurch and Kaikoura around the time of the earthquake.
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The interview covers Fake News but also a 'Heads Up’ to what may be actually happening.
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Fake News is now a global phenomenon – that much of the MSN news, especially beamed to homes in the US and Europe is based on fear and terror.
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Mentioned also is the HAARP facility in Alaska – High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (do the research) plus other international facilities\n        and more new advanced technologies that are now being deployed. Though not mentioned in this interview, researchers think that there could be 100\n        portable HAARP units being deployed globally. Not only in the USA. link is below *
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That the tech is becoming so advanced that we do not know what weapons are being used - like space based weapons on orbiting platforms that are testing\n        and using plasma technology.
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Weather and Frequency Wars
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When perusing photos of the sky zig zag patterns – and waves – can be seen plus seine waves – being curved and also sawtooth and triangular waves plus\n        square waves or half rectangle – showing very crisp lines between clouds and blue sky – and these he states are not natural cloud formations. That\n        they are perturbed clouds that in some instances make the clouds look like waves.
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He mentions that NZ could be influenced by 'frequency systems' based in Australia affecting our Tasman Sea weather patterns and NZ being possibly having/relying\n        on a certain amount or quotient of precipitation. (rain) This statement was not pursued, however this information may become more known in the\n        future. He said that there are many non disclosed weather experiments happening. That time has to be taken in studying the large number of weather\n        photographs and the complexity of how these systems constantly flow in and out. Plus he is not privy to many photos as they may be censored or\n        just not posted on the web.
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Secret Projects
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Also discussed are 'dark projects' – of the secretive military industrial experiments – using high orbit space base weapons - that there seems to be\n        some 'Directed Energy Events' involved with California's wildfires – that many people are realising could be caused by certain factions testing\n        their technologies.
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Called directed energy weapons – is one of the new technologies and Nigel gives a run down that says that the use of lasers, particle beam tech, plasma\n        weapons, microwave and a whole assortment of direct energy systems are part of the US ‘defence’ departments secretive experimental arsenal. 
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It is important to know that weather warfare is not a new concept.
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U.S. Military Wants to Own the Weather - Space.com\n    
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Oct 31, 2005 - U.S. Air Force Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) satellites compared “lights at night” images before and after Hurricane\n        Katrina disaster. ... In fact, military officials and weather modification experts could be on the verge of joining forces to better gauge, react\n        ...
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The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction: \"Owning the Weather\"
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For years now steering hurricanes in certain directions has been high on the military agenda.
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On the West Coast of the US there has been devastating forest fires in the town of Paradise and previously in Redding and there are still ongoing investigations\n        as to what were the really cause or multiple causes. That weather fronts flowing from west to east across the North Pacific ocean towards Canada\n        and America seem to always be held back, as if hitting an invisible wall - that this ‘suspension’ of rain fronts are seen to be the cause of the\n        droughts in California.
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But is this at all credible? Who would believe such statements?
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Then we talk about who would believe this – this is so dark that people just don’t want to know. Who would want to research such nefarious and subversive\n        subject matter? 
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We then covered how to understand this subject without being taken down or becoming depressed.
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Becoming aware yet staying strong and well fulfilled within.
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So we talked about inner discipline – becoming well resourced so as to keep in our heart.
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Also, to awaken people to the shadow side of life if we want to bring peace to the world especially for all children.
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Nigel opens up to express how he sees existence - saying 'life is a game' – and we need to be one step ahead of the game – by knowing what is happening\n        and that it is still unwritten. That we are the writers of the script – 'that we are spiritual beings having an earth experience' and so we need\n        to always be beyond becoming a victim.
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Honouring Activists
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He tells of an award system he is developing called ‘Levelling the Playing Field’ honouring activists and being rewarded with recognition and prizes.
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That when activists keep the subject matter in the public mind, eventually the Government will in the face of overwhelming evidence do something like\n        ban certain deleterious activities 
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Asbestos, thalidomide and DDT - have seen to be detrimental to health and human life and finally become banned.
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This was both an interesting as well as overwhelming subject to bring to the public consciousness. You will never hear national radio from all the\n        differing stations across NZ discussing such a subject other than* to dismiss it or to contemptuously disparage it. However, with $21 trillion\n        in the US been hidden from the public of that country, you would think that this would be an exceptionally subject that the media in NZ would want\n        to bring to public arena. This is what we are dealing with today. Be it fake news (distraction) or censoring by omission which, is very predominant\n        not only in NZ, but in Western media globally.
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Links
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* www.RushFM.co.nz - state that they are the most alternative radio station in NZ. And on occasions\n        play GreenplanetFM.com radio shows to their central Waikato listening audience.
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www.geoengineeringwatch.org\n    
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Facebook page – weatherwars international https://www.facebook.com/groups/1310150419018802        Rick Duart
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https://www.facebook.com/nigel.gray.5\n    
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https://sorendreier.com/jeff-rense-geoengineering-and-the-disastrous-ca-fires/        *
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Dutchsince - https://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse\n    
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NOT MENTIONED: We must always be conscious that the use of super computers to run scenarios is always a major fundamental in the secretive defence\n        and space based as well as financial scenarios. 
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These supercomputers situated in all major countries are being used 24/7 to work out ‘best case scenarios’ - or ‘worse case’ - depending on what devilish\n        scheme or chain of events that are being envisioned. 
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We also did not get around to mentioning the assault on the world whales and dolphin population – the cetaceans. 
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The US Navy, but most probably other navies are using high powered sonar and other radar technologies to hunt for submarines silently submerged possibly\n        half a kilometre down in the ocean depths. 
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These electronic intrusions are having a horrendous impact on the cetacean population as they have such ‘sensitive hearing’ that they are picking up\n        mans increasing technology interference that is violating their right to live unharmed anywhere in the earth’s oceans.
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There is no such thing, as ‘public’ transport in Auckland.\n
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The trains, buses and ferry services are publically subsidised, but privately owned, operated and managed, passenger transport operators.
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Auckland Transport won't reveal how many public millions are being paid to subsidise private passenger transport, on top of their private profits. 
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Their books are not open - regarding the millions of public monies paid to subsidise these private passenger transport operators. 
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State Capture is where corporate vested interests get their way, at the policy level of council or government, in order to get laws passed that\n    serve their interests.
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With whom are the policy analysts consulting, before legislation goes through the council’s machine?
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These are issues that both Lisa Prager and Penny Bright have been exposing.
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Here’s an example: Auckland Transport has appointed Shane Ellison as its new Chief Executive. Prior to 2011 Mr Ellison was located in Paris with Transdev where he was responsible for global corporate\n    development and innovation. Transdev (previously Veolia) runs Auckland’s trains!
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Associate Minister for Transport, Green Party MP, Julianne Genter is married to Peter Munns    who is principal economist for MRCagney that advises Auckland Transport on cycle ways. Perhaps Auckland’s push to create cycleways, when our aging\n    sewage system is polluting our harbours, shows an ideology that is not allowing for a balanced use of Auckland Council / Auckland Transport’s money\n    but rather a determination to get people out of their cars. This Lisa explains is part of Agenda 21, which New Zealand, and Auckland, are signed up\n    to.
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Lisa is a bike rider and is not against cycle ways. However when they go through shopping areas and take parking from local businesses they are destroying\n    community and people’s livelihoods. Shops lose custom and so close down. 
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Their landlords then have to sell their properties cheaply to developers who then build blocks of flats, says Lisa, and our Australian shopping malls will\n    expand to accommodate the population.
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Mature trees are also being cut down. The whole cycleway project is ill thought out as shown in this article in Spinoff.
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Lisa is also concerned at the spraying of glyphosate by Auckland\n    Transport’s contractors – Fulton Hogan. The WHO has labelled glyphosate as probably carcinogenic but there is evidence that problems don’t just end there. Yet Aucklanders are having it sprayed\n    on parks and berms all over the city.
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Lisa Prager is an artist, sculptor, award winning documentary maker and proud co- owner of Garnet Station cafe/bistro in Westmere.
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She trained as an actor in the late 70's at Theatre Corporate in Auckland, but left to become a political activist & pop artist.
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Involved with Wake Up Auckland in the early 2000's she challenged Les Mills & Auckland Council's homophobic attitude towards the Hero Parade and homosexuality.\n    She stood with others against John Banks and the sale of pensioner/affordable housing and the actions of Auckland Council & Auckland Transport\n    to transfer public assets into private hands.
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She stood with others to fight the sale of airport shares, the privatisation of Westhaven Marina and the ideology behind the badly designed, unsafe, overpriced\n    cycleways. Lisa supports a nationwide tree protection policy and replanting Native Bush not pines to fight climate change. 
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She is Currently Spokesperson for Occupy Garnet Rd movement.
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This Link below explains the graphic on the top of the page
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12152507    
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Whereas prior to the year 2000 we did not see such things however, especially since 2009, these trails are becoming far more obvious and this interview\n        attempts to explain - why? 
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Why here in NZ and who would be involved? We see photographs of these in America, and they have billboards alongside freeways shouting out, “look up,\n        they are chemtrails!” “What are they spraying?” - Yet why here in sleepy little NZ, what is it - that's really going on above our heads?
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Malcolm Scott is an experienced and qualified researcher recognised by the NZ Tertiary Education Commission. He has authored several research reports for\n    various organisations and is currently working on a thesis about people’s perceptions and experiences of climate change and chemtrails.
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In 2015 Malcolm began investigating correspondence with various New Zealand government agencies especially the Ministry for the Environment about the public\n    reporting of alleged high altitude chemical aerosol spraying operations from aircraft in New Zealand. These are commonly referred to by the public\n    as ‘chemtrails’ and since the late 1990’s - chemtrails have become a global phenomenon …
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A great many middle aged NZers have been looking up into the usual clear blue NZ skies since they were born and have never seen - what they have been seeing\n    since the early 2000’s and especially from 2009 onwards. These ‘long white cloud’ like extended trails can even go from near on horizon to horizon.\n    They can stay there for a prolonged time before after some while, slowly spread outward to eventually become a cloudy haze. 
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NZ Authorities Deny All Knowledge
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Listen to how Malcolm has since 2015 been corresponding with the Ministry for the Environment, NIWA - the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric research,\n    the EPA the Environmental Protection Authority, the CAA, the Civil Aviation Authority and also the New Zealand Defence Force - And in Malcolms words,\n    all of these organisations - one way or another - deny any knowledge or involvement with Geo Engineering - whatsoever in NZ.
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Aluminium, Barium and Strontium
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Yet all of these organisations have received correspondence from the NZ public - and some of them have received quite detailed evidence - photographic\n    and video evidence. Some have even received analysis of rain water concentrations specifically demonstrating aluminium, barium and strontium    and even lithium.
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That there is some very good research out of the USA by J Marvin Herndon published in 2015 - about military craft flying in a grid pattern in California.\n    That these aircraft are specifically modified and designed for aerosol spraying operations - so they fly a grid pattern backward and forward with aerosols\n    that over the course of the day spreads out to in effect, cause a dirty grey sky haze. If you go on line there is a lot of material posted by US residents\n    on what they are seeing in their particular region. Search Geoengineering.
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NZ residents are posting to social media 
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In NZ it is nowhere on the scale that it is in the US, however NZ residents are still posting to social media almost on a daily basis. Also, they are sharing\n    among each other and correlating what they see from different parts of the country and where certain airports are, including departures and arrivals.
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Malcolm says that his correspondence with the NZ authorities is to establish what they know - and he said - “they know a lot.”
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It’s about long trails from nearly horizon to horizon that hang there even up to a number of hours and gradually disperse, into a haze what is commonly called chem clouds - these are not simply emissions from jet fuel - there is obviously other chemical components and factors involved in this, where they remain and persist in the atmosphere  - that connect directly to the science of ‘geo engineering.’ \n
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Solar Radiation Management
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Note that over the last 3 decades that there has been a massive increase into the research of Geo engineering particularly the notion of ‘solar radiation\n    management’ - which is the idea of spraying chemicals into the atmosphere to increase atmospheric albedo that reflects solar radiation back into space.
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This is to supposedly reflect sunlight back into space so as to alleviate ‘global warming.’
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This is a huge technology that has been growing out of the USA for the last 2 to 3 decades and apparently is being applied to many other countries around\n    the world.
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Malcolm mentions Geoengineeringwatch.org and also writer Elana Freeland and her many books. see https://www.aircrap.org    - or https://byebyebluesky.com/elana-freeland\n
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Elana traces back to the early 1990’s to a CIA operation called Project Cloverleaf - do an online search. That it was a coordinated military operation\n    since the late 1990’s (and in NZ the 2000’s) it has appeared to have escalated into a global operation that Malcolm says it has now morphed into complicity\n    with ‘civil aviation operators.’
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In NZ many ordinary citizens are out and about and are taking photos because they are interested in strange cloud formations etc and are posting them online.\n    It has been noticed that many of the aerosol trails photographed are from commercial aircraft - because people are able to use aircraft tracking platforms to identify aircraft.
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Military Involvement
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Military Aircraft turning their transponders off. (leaving no signature)
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Malcolm has also found that there are some aircraft that are not visible on the - ‘on line tracking services’ - that identify aircraft.\n    These are presumed to be military aircraft that are operating with their transponders turned off. Therefore they are not identifiable. As the military\n    have their own rules they do not necessarily have to comply with the same regulations and that of certain civil operations.
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So military operators use unmarked aircraft - i.e converted aircraft with no military insignia and they are therefore hard to identify, however reports\n    on social media say they have been seen in parts of NZ. 
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Overseas involvement
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In Malcolm's video presentation he mentions the US has taken 100 Boeing 757s and converted them for aerosol operations and according to William Thomas\n    in his 2004 book Chemtrails confirmed - he confirms that the military have done this. 
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They have bought up old Boeings and refurbished them for aerosol spraying. For possibly a global fleet that is leased out to certain overseas military\n    organisations. However the military in NZ have declined any knowledge of such operations. Even though an Omega AC10 aircraft Ex Dc10 - (with ties to\n    Evergreen International) which is said to be a US military operation, was seen and photographed on the tarmac at Ohakea air force base in Palmerston North    many years ago. Payload is 145 tonnes of liquid. What sort of liquid would this aircraft be carrying as jet fuel comes to NZ by ship?\n    
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Malcolm approached the NZ Defence Operations and said that as he was an Academic researcher was he able to take time looking at the aircraft that the NZ\n    military have, like checking their log book and routes taken? This way he could confirm that they have nothing to do with aerosol operations and they\n    flatly said No! This was from Gerry Brownlee who was the Minister of Defence for the National government and he in this letter denied any involvement\n    by the NZDF in military aerosol operations in NZ.
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The interview covers:
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David Parker the present Attorney-General of New Zealand who gave a categorical denial that there was no geo-engineering happening in NZ. He signed a letter\n    stating as such. 
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We are in a global experiment that is been conducted at altitude and also at ‘night time’ - to hide the activity of aircraft.
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Is it going to produce more global heating or decrease global warming    - professor Tim Lenton of Exeter University called this “an uncontrolled experiment.”
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It is being done without ‘our’ informed consent - and is being executed by unknown faces further up the military industrial system.
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It is weaponising the atmosphere - Elana Freeland - writes of\n    weaponising space.\n    
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There is no public consultation in NZ
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 Watch US scientist David Keith - a head tripping geo engineer - and his infamous\n    ‘free-riding on our Grandkids’ quote.
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Massey University testing to gauge NZers awareness about Geo Engineering.\n    Massey University Scientists talking it up? - 15th February 2014.
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 The Massey article.\n    
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That though there has been an increase in water/moisture in the atmosphere due to global warming - it cannot be used as an excuse that these ‘trails’ are\n    a result of far more condensation etc. Because all these aircraft are flying in all climatic zones, seasons, times of day, pressures, altitudes and\n    latitudes. 
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NOTE: In this interview we did not discuss as to how these spraying operations spray from the aircraft or how the liquids or whatever it is that is emitted\n    from the aircraft - are stored on board. As photoshopping pictures can be too easily perfected. This dispensing subject will be left for a later interview.\n    
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Things to do:
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Write to the NZ authorities - every email or letter becomes part of the public record - this can be then connected to either a Parliamentary process or\n    a court process - this procedure will be a public record that will substantiate what is taking place in NZ. 
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This is ‘people power’ the same kind of people power that enabled NZ to become Nuclear Free. 
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Checking your rainwater storage tank
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If on rain and tank water do independent tests on your drinking water: Hills Laboratories    are qualified professionals.\n    
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Web Sites 
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http://poison.bioenergeticspectrum.com/contrailschemtrails.html\n
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-aerosol-and-electromagnetic-weapons-in-the-age-of-nuclear-war-4/5617879\n
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https://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/ - run by NZer Clare Swinney & Jim Reece
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-overcast-an-investigation-into-climate-engineering/5623740\n
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The Swiss filmmaker Matthias Hancke worked on his first documentary OVERCAST for almost seven\n    years. In 2007 he realized for the first time, that the man-made cloud cover was not a natural byproduct from aviation. 
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16th of August 2018. 
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Geoengineering: An Interview with a US Air Force General ( Richard H. Roellig / interviewed by Dane Wigington ) where US General Charles Jones is also\n    mentioned as being very concerned with what is going on.It is important to note that the US military and all Western military are “compartmentalised”\n    - that they are only given certain information that is directly involved with their present station. They are kept out of the loop with all other operations\n    - hence ‘they know nothing’ of other (secret) operations. This is standard practice, in all their operations and for that matter in banking too.
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Phd Scientist - video 
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Search for the US Air Force paper - ‘Owning the weather by 2025’ - stating that owning the weather is a force multiplier - The ‘original’\n        has been taken down off the web, but do a search - there could be other independent activists who have a copy. 
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1962 President Lyndon Johnson - raving about controlling the weather - project Popeye over Vietnam. 
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There is much more in this interview than written here, that it is imperative for you to listen to and make up your own mind. The children of today and tomorrow are depending on you!          
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This below is Malcolm’s excellent slideshow video presentation of 2017
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Though overstated, it has for an increasing number of New Zealander’s given us a wake up call - as to what do we want for our families and particularly\n    our children in our country - so as to make our communities more resilient, and viable, but more so - economically, more friendly, as well. 
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Towns, Villages and City Suburbs working to becoming closer and safer.
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Scattered throughout many of our cities - and in towns and villages across NZ there is an unheralded movement towards ‘re-localisation’ where people are\n    committing to work closer together, to communicate, share and do business based on goodwill and win win outcomes.
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From ‘transition everything’ to, farmers markets, time banks, permaculture, holistic health, homeschooling, garage sales, and food buying co-ops - Communities\n    are realising that localising as much as possible especially cooperative events, business and around food, learning and backyard growing activities\n    …. It’s making small towns, city suburbs and rural villages far more cohesive and enjoyable. People are discovering their neighbours and creating\n    deep connection and relationships.
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It’s about innovation and integration of small business modals and setting the template for a regenerative 21st Century where families and communities\n    can thrive together.
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These growing number of aware NZers are realising that the global corporate era (error) is grinding on towards a very uncertain future – for not only our\n    civilisation but the whole biosphere as well, So as a result of ‘thinking globally but acting locally’ many thoughtful NZers are taking an in-breath\n    and renewing their focus on what is happening in their own neighbourhood and in particular to their local community. 
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This re-localisation of group energy is unfolding many innovative ideas and models of working in collaboration. As previously mentioned in other GreenplanetFM.com\n    interviews - a lot of focus is based around farmers markets, food growing, timebanks, buying and selling and cooperating at numerous innovative tiers\n    and levels.
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Social Media Fundraising 
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Some are using social media like Give a Little - Kick Starter or Pledge Me to start businesses and the result is that the pledgers within the community\n    can become shareholders in that communities construction for instance - like shops etc this gives locals a stake in what is happening in their immediate\n    area.
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Thus less money flows out of the community to banks or insurance companies – mostly overseas and instead gives the residents a stake in their local community.\n    
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Relocalising is also very involved in food production 
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Growers markets and organics extending into permaculture – including food forests, planting fruit trees on council land and in parks. Especially in Christchurch\n    as there are large orchards and food forests as a result of people having to leave their houses and property due to the earthquake. These initiatives\n    are sparking enthusiasm with locals and especially the youth. 
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Having a Champion 
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All you need is one champion and a movement can take place. Usually this comes about from someone having an enthusiastic idea and drawing people to assist\n    and a way you go. Have a ‘Give a Little’ web page … many project like this can start quickly – once they get some momentum - with people coming\n    together over shared or common interests – at a potluck get togethers … and it draws the community closer together.
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Anneleise says it’s taking responsibility and making an investment in your community and also meeting your needs. Including involving oneself with ‘time\n    banks’ or ‘exchange systems’ – that includes community education projects sharing ideas, and company. 
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Transforming Towns & Villages 
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Rural Towns NZ a are in decline as well, how do we restore them again?
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People are rising to the occasion to innovate. Forging a renewed sense of identity. 
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Around: Handcraft, wine, local tourism, wool products, pottery, cheeses – protecting a water way, riparian planting, picking up litter.\n    All these projects build up the mana of the town and give cause for celebration and connection. 
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Like Oamaru in the South Island and their Victorian Festival, utilising the old architecture that they did not demolish - Pulling everyone\n    together due to shared values or interest or attraction of their town. Giving the town a sense of identity and growing the best of us on many multiple\n    levels. This is part of mitigating this traumatic contractual decline that we are in - collectively.
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Tirau in the North Island where 30 years ago it transformed itself from a very uninteresting village on the main arterial route from Auckland\n    to Wellington by having all the exterior cladding of buildings being made out of painted corrugated iron - fashioned into the form of huge farm animals.\n    This totally invigorated the village turning it into a roaring success and now is an important stopover for local and overseas travellers. 
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Housing 
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This interview also covers Affordable Housing – Lyttelton is looking seriously as a community at this important topic. Top down and bottom up - Council\n    and community are working towards a common aim.
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Listen to a new commercial development in Lyttelton that is very unique cultivating a win win win for the town and people - a community investment.\n    
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Crowd funded and the people who put money forward as investors become shareholders – and pays dividend back to the community investors – thus\n    the ownership of the business is retained in the community. 
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The Commons – commonly held land and resources become community held resources.
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Hemp 
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Another ‘out there' community experiment is in Ruatoria near Mt Hikurangi in the East Cape of the North Island. Where a large commercial hemp farm is in\n    progress. It was pulled together via another web based money raising exercise - and there is now the possibility of this working model - to be the\n    initiator of a NZ wide hemp revolution across the whole nation. This is huge, as NZ has not been as fast on the uptake of hemp a it could, solely because\n    of a countrywide conservative attitude. Hemp will definitely be a great financial motivator, as it sequesters Co2 out of the atmosphere, it can be\n    used for a huge number of products, clothing, textiles, block building and halting erosion too - so this is an important environmental enterprise.\n    
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Values within our Communities - this is a very dear subject that Anneliese went at length to talk to.
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The diminishment of values as a result of an economic system that has winners and losers and also that over the last three terms of Central Government\n    leadership being divisive and not telling the truth comes up in this interview. 
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With poverty there was the scapegoating of minorities and the poor – who have been demonised – yet Anneliese states it is a manufactured situation.
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Listen this as gets really interesting.
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It is about Safer Communities for Children 
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About the deeper level and the underbelly of NZ.
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Depression, violence plus bullying from higher levels of leadership. 
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Gas lighting – the discord 
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Covering the; #metoo movement and #timesup - as this sexual abuse pattern has been brewing under\n    the surface across NZ. 
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From the Wall St Occupy Movement – when people said - enough of the exploitation!
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This interview continues to cover certain psychopathic tendencies of the successful businessmen at the top of most corporations or countries. 
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Then Anneleise passionately states that ‘when we are a village – when we see a starving person we don’t deny them or blame them - ‘we help them!’    
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She gives us statistics that 60% of our NZ state wards have been abused … by people who are paid by taxpayers to actually care for them. 
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Most NZers have no idea or any concept of the degree of child abuse that has been happening across the whole length and breath of our country.
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This silent horror has actively been engaged in for generations and for all children has been a nightmare that has traumatised their whole life.
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This is a shocking indictment on the NZ psyche as we are lead to believe that we are a good upright moral country, but behind closed doors another insidious\n    dimension is being perpetrated on innocent children.
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That 1 female child in 3 is abused and 1 male child in 6 is very upsetting.
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So what this interview brings to our consciousness, is for we as a people need to courageously and honestly face the future, become engaged, have a strong\n    and loving heart and realise that it is urgent for us to deal with all the challenges that surround us.
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When we engage with our neighbours and friends in community, this also care and love to be expressed in action. With the biosphere at multiple tipping\n    points, be it ecological, economic or societal - the urgency is now. We have to care for todays and tomorrows children - because we were once children too     
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This is a lovely open-hearted narrative of being vulnerable in sharing her story.
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It’s about individuals coming together to localise, in creating business around farmers markets, food growing, timebanks and cooperating at numerous innovative\n    tiers and levels. 
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Many more NZer’s today are talking among themselves that there has to be a far better way for us to live, especially for our collective planetary future.
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Up and down and across New Zealand, many 'kiwis' are slowly but methodically going about integrating with their local community - wishing to share at a deeper level, values that are expressed from the heart and from a place of honesty and courage.    
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From little villages, districts, towns, to suburbs in cities, farmers markets seem to be a key ‘nodal point’ where people can congregate    and cross pollinate news and views of how community can come together - so as to become self reliant, and resilient as well as creatively taking innovation\n    to a new art form.
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Are you one of these cultural creatives? Who enjoys meeting people to talk deeply about how we can address the urgent needs within the biosphere of today.\n    I trust that you are as the following interview I feel, will fill you with optimism and dear I say it, joy, which as you inherently know - we need\n    to experience far more of - especially if we are aware of current world news.
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Juliet Adams became a volunteer in Lyttelton (just beyond Christchurch) in the South Island, just after the earthquake that affected so many people’s lives.\n    This came about because Project Lyttelton had a ‘Time Bank.’\n    
 
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A Time Bank - is a system that helps people to help each other, without money changing hands.\n    
 
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To join a local time bank - there needs to be a basic program on a small computer system so as to record what exchanges are being made. When you join you\n    list the ‘skills’ you can offer towards the community and any other ways of helping people in the community to do things.\n    
 
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Plus, you will also ‘have some needs' as well where you would like some help.
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For example if you spent one hour minding a friends children, they will credit you ‘one hour’ on the time bank records. Then you can use that credited\n    ‘one hour’ on your account to pay someone to do something for you. Like fixing the broken fence or mowing the lawns. etc.
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So it’s a matter of people exchanging their abilities and their time to help one another - without money changing hands.
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What ‘time banks’ do is bring people and connection much more closer together. Where as money can be over convenient as in the human equation it may not\n    play a ‘closer quality’ in reaching out to people and their inner needs. i.e good relationships that are far more healthy … where you spend\n    time talking and making sure that everyone is warmly satisfied with the ’transaction’.
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In Lyttelton there is over 750 members in their time bank - so if these 750 people congregated all togther in a hall - there is huge potential and possibility\n    with the collective skills that are there. Thus a time bank like this has 'vast social capital' that can be unleashed and put to good purpose. 
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Community Treasure Chest 
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The ‘community treasure chest’ - is where people who belong to a time bank, donate and credit their ‘one hour’ to the community treasure chest - which\n    allows other people who are going through a tough spell and need a hand up, can avail themselves of accumulated gifted ‘one hour' credits from the\n    Community Chest.
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So that people who are not even time bank members can receive community assistance.
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This is the difference between a system that is built around people - rather than money.
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Project Lyttelton is based on many projects 
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Having many community gardens - you give some work time and you can walk away with some of the fresh produce.
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Garage Sales - about 4 or 5 a week - are all organised through Project Lyttelton - having a well organised, publicised outreach.
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Saturday Farmers Market - which is a huge success - and this is where town and country meet and much sharing and networking takes place.
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Helen Dew of Carterton and and Living Economies, North of Wellington and Margaret Jeffries of Lyttelton went to ITHACA in New York in the US many years\n    ago and learnt about ‘time banks’ and brought the concept back to NZ. http://livingeconomies.nz\n
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Today more and more Councils and Central Government are actively supporting communities to assist them to become more cohesive and healthy to improve the\n    lives of their citizens. Healthy, happy people, as a result are not dependent on health services and do not draw down on the community or economy.
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Locally there are Time Banks in Christchurch, Sumner and New Brighton areas.
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Minimisation of Waste 
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Saturday markets - you can borrow a cup - take it away full of a hot drink or soup and carry it with you, refill it and later on in the day drop it back\n    at the market and one of the staff will happily wash it at the end of the day.
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Same for plates, knives and forks - you can enjoy food and have no concern about disposing anything in the rubbish - food scraps go for compost etc. A\n    very clean thought out action plan to minimise waste. The idea of washing up is easily achieved and you have no concerns either.
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Festivals 
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Many festivals are run in the town that bring people together.
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Group Truck 
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Bertie the truck, can be hired off Project Lyttelton PL for localised use.
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Fruit and veggie crates of fresh food are available every week.
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They have a Library where many leading edge books on community building, finance and success stories of what is happening around our planet are available.\n    This is where Juliet volunteers her time. As volunteering is a large part of PL. 
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Volunteering is the glue to keeping the community cohesive and flowing.
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They also have shares in a health food shop that is owned as a coop called ‘Harbour Coop', selling\n    healthy and organic food.\n    
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Project Lyttelton is a wonderful fulfilling experiment of people working and playing together. 
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It is also emotionally healthy as well as providing physical health for ones body.
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It in many ways is the microcosm of the NZ macrocosm - where ideals and warm hearted values coalesce into unfolding a better tomorrow.
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https://www.lyttelton.net.nz\n
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When we listen to this powerfully stated interview we can for the first time in decades celebrate the dedicated work of farmers and other primary producers,\n    activists, local mana whenua and Councillors to make Northland and Auckland region safe from risky outdoor GE experiments and releases.
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And yes … this was a major battle.
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This is the story about how all councils from South Auckland to Cape Reinga (in response to their farmers/ primary producers and other ratepayers concerns\n    about outdoor growing of GE/GMOs) took action to defend their region.
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The deficiencies in HSNO (as identified by Local Government NZ and many councils) include inadequate liability provisions and no mandatory requirement\n    for the central government regulator (ERMA, now the Environmental Protection Authority) to take a precautionary approach to outdoor use of GE/GMOs.
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Councils of Northland, Auckland, Bay of Plenty and Hawke's Bay took action (in the face of Central Govt inaction) to protect their constituents and the\n    environment from transgenic pollution/ risky GE experiments.
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The councils of Northland and Auckland worked in a fiscally responsible, collaborative manner to create the innovative \"Inter Council Working Party on\n    GMO Risk Evaluation & Management Options\", acting on their duty of care under the Local Government Act and the RMA.
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The National Party tried to thwart the good work of the councils, with former Minister \"for\" the Environment Nick Smith's nefarious attempt to amend the\n    Resource Management Act (RMA).
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This was to strip local councils of their authority and jurisdiction, and destroy valuable GE Free Zones put in place by the councils.
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But he failed and in April 2017 Parliament (with the Maori Party staying staunch and refusing to support Nick Smith's ill advised scheme) recognised the\n    right of local councils to create enforceable GE Free Zones (Resource Legislation Amendment Act 2017).
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Recognition by Parliament of the opportunity to create enforceable GE Free Zones has been enhanced by recent case law (Environment Court and High Court),\n    affirming that local councils have jurisdiction regarding GE/GMOs and can either ban their outdoor use or make strict controls than the EPA requires\n    under HSNO.
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One of the great advantages of Northland is that it is nearly an island, with ocean surrounding 99% of it. There is only a very narrow isthmus that connects\n    it, being less than 2 kilometres in distance. This is between the Manukau harbour and Tamaki of the Auckland harbour.
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Northland is an ideal area to achieve the distinction of becoming a GE/ GMO Free Zone. Auckland City and region (because of its size), can act as the GE\n    / GMO Free Gatekeeper.
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A great victory, accomplished with the help of Taitokerau mana whenua and other allies. All Taitokerau Iwi authorities have strong precautionary and prohibitive\n    GE/GMO policies for all their respective rohe, Bombay hills north to Reinga.
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Together we are stronger- keep it GE free, naturally :)
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This dialogue with Mark is a continuation of interviewing New Zealanders around the country based on ‘pulling the strings of localised community together’\n    and linking them across the nation.
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Mark is a passionate change agent and realises the importance of having robust and resilient communities founded around: Farmers markets, permaculture,\n    organics, green dollars and Time banks as well as building shelter and sustainable buildings, holistic health, homeschooling, mensheds and women’s\n    cooperatives, plus other regenerative initiatives. 
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That all of these connect the community into a vibrant, self reliant organism. 
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For many years in some cases decades there has been a growing awareness by NZers - especially away from the largest cities - that in small towns and villages\n    across the country, people still have/feel a sense of community.
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That people seeking both better connection, and environmental quietness away from the pace and size of urban conglomeration have gravitated more to a smaller\n    town and or rural setting, that is also accompanied by being close to the sea or ocean in some way.
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From Kaitaia up North, to Kerikeri, Hokianga, Whangerei and Kaiwaka.
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To Thames Coromandel, Raglan over to Gisborne, the Hawkes Bay Hastings region.,and to Wanganui, and Masterton.
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To the South Island of Nelson, Motueka, Takaka and Golden Bay, to Kaikura and Lyttelton, the West Coast and further South - people have steadily colluded\n    together to build a cooperative commercial understanding around markets. Where today farmers markets are a key hub to community getting together to\n    cooperate in other ways as the threads of community tie in so many other aspects from holistic health, to shared working bees, permaculture, organics,\n    recycling time banks etc see list at the bottom of this article. 
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Thames - Coromandel 
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Mark's interview on what is happening in the Thames Coromandel starts with how people are addressing housing and shelter. 
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Having many differing forms of life style, and various forms of building homes - Cobb houses , rammed earth, straw bale, lots of permaculture permutations\n    - people living ‘off grid’ and largely self sufficient - other people living semi on grid whilst developing organic businesses - green businesses,\n    lots of sole traders - that is going on at one level.
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At another level, also grappling with how to connect-up with other parts of the community that are more traditional - who have come there to retire and\n    live in peace by the sea but are now becoming alarmed by sea level rise and climate change - eroding roads as over the last 18 months massive storms\n    have come up the Firth of Thames and the Coast road up to Coromandel has been taken out. Plus lots of flooding on the other coast and at Whitianga\n    as well. 
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There are some intentional communities, as well as spiritual communities that are fairly well integrated into the larger community running meditation courses\n    as well as extending into town as a shop presence.
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There are people looking at ways of cooperating to group together on the land and adding tiny houses etc. 
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But in a sharing of care, Mark mentions there is also now on the other side of the situation about 30 homeless people living in Thames - sleeping in cars\n    - or sleeping out at the back of the community garden etc and some of them have various addictions of some kind or another so there is still growing\n    challenges around the dispossessed that needs to be addressed.
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Why? Because these people don’t have that sense of community and connection … and access to the resources to be able to change their lives - like\n    to buy some land you are talking half a million dollars so there is definitely a different social strata around different degrees of wealth, resources\n    and affluence involved. That amidst all this, correct choices have been taken. 
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Mark shares from a humorous perspective how the people strive for success and then laughingly asks how does one define success?
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The current global and national economic system is not working
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He says how do we equate neo liberal economics with half a dozen people sleeping in a car outside your house …?
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That neo liberal perspectives are so interwoven into our society that often we don’t realise how embedded we really are, inside this economic model. Like\n    a goldfish may have no concept of water!
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And we need to gently bring the harshness of the neo liberal economic system to our leadership so that we can see what it is doing - especially in regard\n    to the larger environment and its ongoing social implications
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Community Care and Commitment
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The Thames Community Centre has gathered information and research on the needs around homelessness in the town plus the wider community.
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That addressing housing of those needing shelter and they have opened dialogue with a local housing company to see how they can build quality budget housing\n    for these people - (Listen) Rent affordable home - a lovely initiative.
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Subject covered in this wide ranging interview
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Transition Town groups are working closely with the local authorities - in putting forward a vision - and saying wouldn’t it be great if ….? One\n    example is turning an area in midtown Thames into its own square. Someplace where people can walk around, sell produce, meet each other a little like\n    the agora the marketplace in ancient Athens.
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Project Lyttelton comes up.
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https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/margaret-jefferies-project-lyttleton-sustainable-community-building-christchurch\n
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Abraham Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs\n
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Redefining what it is to be an individual these days.
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This interview is of a caring and considerate person 
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Future proofing the future?
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Mark gives a 'Shout out' for Tim Grafton the CEO of the NZ Insurance Council who has been going around the Coastline communities talking about climate\n    change and what we need to be aware of. Originally he was taking to the business community but more and more he has been communicating with ordinary\n    communities. 
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The Thames Transition Town community brought him to Thames where the conversation will inevitably focus on the future where we will have insurance companies\n    saying we are now going to stop offering insurance to homes and businesses that are too close to sea level. But Mark says we need to start a nationwide\n    conversation to have this conversation now, so that we can creatively find a way through this and innovate our way into a more safer future 
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Also included in this conversation are Maori, Hapu and iwi and working together to successfully replicate that model of cooperation. 
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Calling for humour and joy in among our daily work and challenges 
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That there is a big insulation program happening for old cottages for no cost - listen
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Community gardens - how a disempowered person found themselves with a purpose 
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Heart politics, that it is a summer conference that has been going since 1984 that is very inspiring. 
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Anchor points - what are they? listen
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We are part of a interconnected larger ‘system’ and we are waking up to our reason for living.
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We had lots of laughing during this interview :) 
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There is even more to this nuclear episode - that we are allowing concentrated uranium oxide shipments into NZ ports en route to other countries, for maximising.
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Denys says that changes have to take place in the ‘consciousness and the sentiments’ of near on 5 million New Zealanders as well as the rest of the world’s\n    population to address what is really taking place today.\n    
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 In 1974 FOE - Friends of the Earth started up in NZ so as to speak up for most environmental issues. Stating that social and ecological consciousness\n    has to grow to be able to counter these increasing trends of disconnection from the planet that sustains us … and that we are also running into\n    a generational problem that Bob hinted at in the introduction - of unknowingness of the issues by our youth.\n    
 
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Irradiated food entering NZ with poor or microscopic labelling.
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Yet, during this time NZ also became the first country on Earth to ban the irradiation of food - However in the 1990’s because we lost our ‘ sovereignty’\n    through the CER - Closer Economic Relations with Australia - when both countries merged their regulatory authorities thus Food Standards NZ and every\n    Australia State and Capital Territory got one vote only. It’s not like one vote one country like with the United Nations and so NZ had to go along\n    with Australia’s Pro Irradiation stance, being out voted every time.
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The result means that a whole range of exported Australian fruit and vegetables are imported into NZ and becomes our diet - which is irradiated with caesium\n    137.
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First they started off with mangoes which was regarded as a sweetener - and now tomatoes and capsicums are irradiated so are grapes, pip fruit and citrus\n    fruit.
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Yet the labelling of such treatment continues to be poorly addressed and most people do not know that they could be eating nuclear irradiated food. 
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Concentrated uranium oxide shipments entering     
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Another large but silent issue is about concentrated uranium oxide shipments through NZ ports en-route to other countries.
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This contravenes our Nuclear Free policy.
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Up to 800 ton shipments of ‘concentrated uranium’ have been coming through the ports of Auckland - and the NZ workers at the port working on these ships\n    were never told of these shipments - and this was completely under the public radar and unknowing NZ has no capability to deal with an accident or\n    spillage inside these ships. The uranium is stored in the bow of the ship at the lowest levels and when asked why, was told that it is the furthest\n    from the crews quarters - but that section of the ship is also the most affected area with storms at sea. FOE say that they have been shown photographs\n    of containers of other goods that have been damaged by storms at sea and Bob says they look like they have been attacked by giant can openers.\n    
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 So these two issues are ongoing. 
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Logging of old growth forests
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Most of the important matters of FOE are long term environmental challenges that are almost hidden from the NZ public attention - they are background issues\n    and yet are of critical importance - for instance FOE’s first involvement was to halt the logging of vast beech forests in the South Island that has\n    actually been an ongoing process of 30 years of activism. The fact that this indigenous forestry project that was halted took 30 years of focus to\n    bring the worst aspects of that to a halt. But there are still dangers of that type of project happening again as there are signs of the reemergence\n    of the idea that it is legitimate to log forests that are on public land. 
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Another silent issue is: Gene Editing     
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Gene Editing and Gene Drives and an acronym - CHRISPR which are now wedging their way into NZ and FOE says they are probably perilous technologies - they\n    may have some uses - though it is surmised that this is going to be used for military application and the research is going to be financed by DARPA\n    - as there is a weaponised dimension to this technology - and used on human populations in a negative way. 
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    Government complicity forces punitive costs to lodging appeals     
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Today to appeal against any environmental or ecological assault in NZ has become very expensive - where it once cost $50 to lodge an appeal to save some\n    ecological treasure in this country some years ago, the previous National administration made it more punitive to take an issue to court, that it now\n    costs $500 under the Resource Management Act to protect our ‘taonga’ (treasures) - our heritage and for a small volunteer ecological group, it is debilitating.\n    Then they have to put up surety of costs - that could then be up to $10 - 20,000 - but first the Government will take your $500 and you may never get\n    to court. The game is rigged. It’s stacked against the people - by ’the system’.
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Being so, that both overseas and local business interests have been far more successful than environmental protectors. It’s unfortunate - yet that is the\n    reality. There is no legal aid for cases brought about for the public interest, this needs to be addressed.
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Note that a good judge and magistrate can determine in 5 minutes if this is a genuine case. Wherever an environmental case being brought is merely vexatious\n    or important, Denys says it would not cost the Government very much at all to set up such a system, where important and authentic cases are heard with\n    the help of legal aid.\n    
 This will allow the people’s voice to speak and to be heard in our own court system. Note that we NZers pay through our taxes for this court system\n    as well as pay the salaries of the judges as well as the court rooms - as they are our courts.
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Government Organisations not doing enough? \n    
 Just as the officials who are meant to be safeguarding the environment employed by organisations like DOC, (Department of Conservation) Ministry for\n    the Environment, Land Care, etc- all these large Government organisations - we taxpayers already pay for them.They are actually our employees however\n    they act as if we are asking them a special, favour to merely humbly knock on there door. 
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1080 another bogey that won’t go away     
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At present there is a new exposee on 1080 and insect death - originally it was designed as an insecticide - yes it does cause insects to die - DOC knows\n    this is so and this information has been suppressed - but under the Official Information Access - recently a researcher was able to get information\n    released. The original scientist Dr Mike Meads was going to present some of these findings to the NZ Royal Society but 10 days before he was going\n    to do his presentation DOC fired him and closed down the whole story. 
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Here is Mike Meads telling us prior to his death.
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 NZ was the first country to introduce an Atomic Energy Act not long after the end of the 2nd World War and the DSIR (Department of Scientific Industrial\nResearch) produced a booklet on it.\n
 Atomic Energy Act 1945 – Radioactive minerals – Te Ara ...\n
 https://teara.govt.nz/en/document/4781/atomic-energy-act-1945\n
Jun 12, 2006 - The purpose of the Atomic Energy Act 1945 was 'to make provision for the control in New Zealand of the means of producing atomic energy\n    and for that purpose to provide for the mining and treatment of the ores of uranium and other elements which may be used for the production of atomic\n    energy,\n    
 This insightful and shocking interview covers many other subjects as well. 
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Whilst the US, has been distracted and immersed in ‘Neocon’ wars, especially in the Middle East and elsewhere it basically has no money to upgrade its\n    own countries infrastructure. 
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From Communism to Consumerism
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Since Paramount Leader Deng opened up China to far-reaching market-economy reforms in 1978, China has increasingly impacted the whole world. 
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With 1.4 billion people, in comparison to the USA’s 320 million - we are now seeing the might of ‘the China effect’. This has far reaching implications\n    for our planetary ecology and geo-politics. Will China’s appetite for growth and ‘soft power’ - also take us beyond the environmental global tipping\n    point?
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Tim gives us a brief summary of his recent visit as to what is happening across the ever changing face of China and what portends to the future of quite\n    possibly the human endeavor - in a world that is in need of wisdom, consciousness and leadership.
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Tim: We need to be reminded that every day there is some event happening in our world that is actually very heartwarming, like the myriad numbers of people\n    globally engaged in random acts of kindness.
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Where they do wonderful deeds to help someone out and in the process receive delightful smiles back. Resulting in a win-win situation that brings a little\n    more light to our day or paying it forward. 
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Where someone may offer to do you a favor of gifting you either time or money and you graciously decline but happily say please it's okay just pay it forward.\n    And do a favor to some person whom you wish to make happy.
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These unheralded happenings are in many ways like the glue that keeps our society intact and coherent for like generous acts of goodwill and even volunteerism\n    where we find ourselves in a peaceful disposition to feel that we can gift the community and world it makes a heartfelt impact. As this feeling of\n    connectivity and connection radiates out into the community and the world at large. 
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So we need to remember this ability to bring a little more levity and warmth to our daily life as it definitely feeds the soul and on more subtle levels\n    we never know who our client actions may touch.
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Lisa: Kia Ora and welcome, today I have in the studio Tim Lynch who is normally sitting where I'm sitting but I'm going to interview him today on his recent\n    visit to China. So welcome Tim and it's lovely to be interviewing you. 
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Tim: Ni hao. Hello and Kia Ora.
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Lisa: Well Tim, last September you took off for about 12 days to join in my flying visit but then having been Air New Zealand crew in the past I guess\n    you're used to flying visits?
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Tim: Very true.
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Lisa: But Tim tell me where did you go first?
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Tim: Well I went from Auckland to Hong Kong and then from Hong Kong I took a quick flight up to Shanghai and from Shanghai then to Xi’an the ancient capital\n    up in the Shaanxi province and then Suzhou which is a smaller city just west of Shanghai and then back to Shanghai Hong Kong to Aotearoa.
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Lisa: Okay so that sounds really quite interesting and a lot of places to visit, why did you go?
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Tim: Well there were a number of reasons though I used to fly as a crew at Air New Zealand and I came across Bruce Cathie who was a 737 cap and he has\n    a long history of checking out unidentified flying objects or UFOs. And he was really right out there in the early stages of late 60s 70s and the 80s\n    90s where he worked out that there was a planetary grid. And he found out that a lot of UFO sightings were on this particular mathematical or geometric\n    grid that embraced our whole planet that the Russians also seemed to have an understanding of. And he had looked at how the pyramids of Cheops was\n    placed in Egypt as well as the pyramids in Mexico - Teotihuacan and he found a US Air Force photograph and war map of one sitting in the Shaanxi Province\n    up in China. And I wanted to know more about it and way back in 1986 I'd gone up into China and looking for it. 
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I found a number of pyramids there were actually tombs very close to Xian the ancient capital. You know I photographed them and climbed them but they were\n    extremely small. But I didn't find this one that I really wanted. 
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So I went back in 1990 about six weeks after Tiananmen Square and had another look. Now it's really interesting because it was very very peaceful when\n    I was in China both those times. I hardly saw a policeman, I didn't see any army or guns or anything like that. The country seems to run really quite\n    harmonious to the average eye looking.
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Anyway so this time when I went back in 1990, I hired a bike and I used Bruce Cathie's Air Force map or photocopy of an Air Force map and tracked rivers\n    and railway lines. 
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And after bicycling for about thirty-five k’s I found this pyramid and I climbed it and realized it was nowhere near the gigantic size said it was supposed\n    to be. It was only around about 36 meters high and it had a base around a bit odd now around about 200 meters long. 
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And I thought to myself well this is definitely it but it's not the one that we thought was going to be there, the big eye-opener for the human race. And\n    this pyramid is called the Maoling Mausoleum and one of the Han Dynasty Empress has been buried underneath it. 
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Now it's very interesting because there's supposed to be a lot of mercury being put onto that pyramid as well. Because the Han leader wanted longevity,\n    he wanted to build up his life and so he was actually given mercury, thinking it maybe was the going to be the the answer to his life which cut it\n    short instead. This is some of the craziness here. 
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But anyway I came back to New Zealand and I told Bruce Cathie, I said look Bruce I'm sorry the great myth is busted, doesn't exist and so I lifted that\n    and I had photos. 
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But it was only a year ago that I decided to develop these photos I had just put them in storage and so I've got these pictures and anyway this is one\n    of the reasons I thought I was going to go back up again and have another look at it and I was going to do a facebook video. And say “well here I am\n    we can be rest assured that regrettably of a gigantic pyramid that's supposed to be in China does not actually exist”. So that was one of the drivers\n    of me going to China. 
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The other one was back in 2003, I was a teacher, a language teacher and well one of my students or my best student happened to be living up just out of\n    Shanghai in Suzhou and she invited me up and say we'll look if you're going to come up to China I can be your translator. So that's how I ended up\n    being in China because I knew that with the translator that’d be able to help me and another deeper level of finding out about the psyche of China.\n    
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Lisa: Wonderful so a sort of two different reasons for going and twelve days to do it all in. 
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Tim: That's right well I've previously been to Hong Kong about what now 15 to 20 times. And you know it and early ‘76 I've gone over and divisions in which\n    you'll see the new Chinese development area it was an industrial zone. 
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They were starting to realize that there's a whole lot of potential in that whole country and then I've gone over to Canton on about and I've had numerous\n    trips up end to China. But in 2003 I was teaching up there for a number of months and I realized that what China was doing is that it was renewing\n    or modernizing all the cities across China. 
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And so the authorities what they are doing is that I'd go into a city and then say we are sacred temples the sacred well the sacred hill the lake anything\n    of cultural significance that put a ring fence around them and then basically level all the shanty buildings and start again. And that's what they\n    had done and when I went up there last year it just blew me away of what I would say the physical process of modernization was profound and I can go\n    into that in a moment. 
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Lisa: Well they kind of learned from the West's mistake because in the West we've done things more gradually and over much more time and done a lot of\n    things incorrectly and destroyed things of cultural value. They've been able to look at that and see what we didn't get right and then improve on that\n    so that's why you'd have modern cities with beautiful ancient temples and things I would mention.
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Tim: Yes well I use Singapore in many cases the template because Singapore was a pretty much a shanty town. And when I first time when I went there was\n    in 1972 and it was was a pretty rough area and Lee Kuan Yew had just come into power and he was starting to get some traction and making that city\n    a modern city. So Singapore started off with a whole buildings have some very strong central planning and it has become a very successful city architectural-wise,\n    etc. 
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Now for China, mainland China that followed that particular template and Shanghai and all the major cities are now very, very modern. What I noticed was\n    that there were...I don't know where to start. But what I could say I'll start underneath. 
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When I went to Shanghai I noticed that that copied Singapore's subways and all the subways were clean and tidy and efficient and when I went upstairs at\n    ground level there they had all these buses clean new buses and they were all tied in electronically at all the different bus stops. There was information\n    as to where the buses were. But the Chinese people using the ubiquitous mobile phone could track everything across the whole city. And so they knew\n    when to go and pick up a bus and just were quickly looking at their telephone. 
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And then further out on the outskirts of town that's what really blew me away they had brand new airport-like bullet train stations. And from there the\n    bullet trains fanned out across the country and I realized just how much they had worked it all out. There was a lot of brain power brought in to make\n    this country a 21st century country. And this is what the Chinese are onto. 
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Lisa: Well I suppose it's possible to do that if you have a dictatorship authoritarian country because you don't have to go through all the regulations\n    and red tapes that we'd have to do here to be able to do that. And also I guess everything isn't privatized. 
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Tim: These...all these considerations are as mazes as the bullet train that I was on I'd look out at the countryside and a lot of it very green, a lot\n    of gardens, gardens everywhere producing foods for cities. And I would say motorways that had been punched through into the countryside, three lanes\n    on one side three lanes on the other and I realized that the authorities would have been able to get these put in place very quickly because it would\n    be all strategic. And strategic for industry and strategic also in the case of the military. 
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And so yes there's all those sorts of things and on the other side of a coin - in all the cities they had electric motor scooters everywhere. They had\n    these quiet little machines and they'd worked out the cities that in the main thoroughfare cars and buses would go down and then there would be a little\n    separation from those and you'd have little lanes alongside where cars and trucks could bring in food and produce and and merchandize etc. 
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And in a next you'd have a footpaths and where people could walk and each one would be sort of divided by a little fence and a lot of trees a lot of trees\n    in the city because they know they need trees. And this is going to be a big story for them in the future of getting trees to clean up the pollution.\n    And by having electric motorcycles because there's a mega millions of them motor scooters shall I say that the air is a very important issue for a\n    Chinese at the moment.
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Lisa: Well I mean Beijing's one of the most polluted cities in the world isn't it and that's why even here you see a lot of Chinese with masks over their\n    faces when they're in the city because they don't want to breathe in all the carbon monoxide or whatever it is. 
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Tim: Particulates all the different type of particulates that on a micro-level. Yes it's a huge problem and then after the air challenge they have also\n    got to deal with water. Water is another one. And it was really interesting because I know when I was up in 2003 I went round looking at the water\n    and I'd buy water at shops and believe it or not the best tasting water that I drank was from Coca-cola. Coca-cola knowing in the future that people\n    are going to get wise to the junk drink that they put out have strategically bought up all the water companies around the world. And they had bought\n    a very good water well or at least a spring and they were bottling quality water which I drank. 
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And I noticed that was very good and I was in Australia many years ago and I studied water and I realized what good water is because I also saw that Nestle\n    was selling water. And when I drank that water I knew instantly that it was just filtered water from the mains or at least it tasted that quality.\n    
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Lisa: All right well Nestle is trying to buy up all the water in the world as well and have made the CEOs made it very clear that we should not get water\n    free.
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Tim: Not a human right he says. 
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Lisa: But this is interesting because in China I would imagine that there is some sort of idea that everybody has a right to food and water.
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Tim: Well what I found is that the Chinese eat very, very well. So well in fact that I only saw one obese person and all the time that I was there I knew\n    once that person and I thought they must have had a thyroid or a glandular challenge. 
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But the food that they eat and I went to markets and I looked at all sorts of food very very good quality on the appearance. I mean I wasn't able to go\n    in and check and see exactly where was the organic section or anything like that but the Chinese are aware that they have to eat good food. And but\n    one thing did upset me was seeing a lot of squid for sale and I know that squid has picked up by all these squid fishing boats globally. 
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And I have there also been in touch of a person who used to work at AUT Auckland University of Technology who studies sperm whales and he said that there's\n    a lot of sperm whales that they're finding with no squid and their tummies at all in their stomachs. Because of the fact that there are too many fishing\n    boats taking this squid from the water. So we have to really look seriously at this because it's huge but the global fishing fleets are taking all\n    the fish and we got to get right back to localized aquaculture if we want to get savvy. And if people will have protein from fish then we've got to\n    take the fish from land or ponds and not from our oceans. 
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Lisa: Yes it's a difficult one I'll tell you in Thailand I have never seen so many fishing boats, they were just about cheek-by-jowl. It was incredible\n    so I mean I don't see how the fish have a chance. 
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Tim: They don't, they don't. I've had numerous interviews of people here in the studio and they're using all the latest technology. So now they're tracking,\n    they're tracking all these fish and they're corralling them. And yes we're going to have a crash by 2040 due to the fact that there's no real licensing\n    there because we've got a as a humanity start cutting back on taking the fish from the sea. Yes.
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Lisa: Yes yes China is a country, it sounds like they are planning all the time for the future 
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Tim: Oh yes
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Lisa: So I would think that they will actually eventually get to looking at fish stocks around the sea. Because there is definitely this idea of we've\n    got to look after the environment, the air, the water and so I imagine the sea will come into that as well. But I hope not too late.
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Tim: That's right they are thinking about it I know because previous year I was actually there when they had their big huge conference. I saw it was a\n    gigantic conference where he was able to consolidate power but he was also laying out a vision. He wants China to be a beautiful country and he knows\n    that nature is part of this whole thing. 
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And I want to get into Taoism and the ancient mystical thought of how China came into being thousands of years ago but I want to be able to just cover\n    also a few other things. I was amazed at all the bicycles that are lined up in the cities. And they've got the QR code, the quick response code, the\n    matrix barcode decal type thing like a computer barcode that's stuck on all sorts of items these days and so that with a mobile telephone you can just\n    go one click. 
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That telephoning can follow through on that particular barcode and we can find out all the information on that particular item. And they use Alibaba which\n    is the big Amazon of China to act as the banker so at all the people in China really when they want to buy something they just click click click like\n    this. And it all automatically goes through Alibaba to their bank accounts and the bank account is debited whatever that particular item that they\n    want to buy.
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And so they're getting really, really organized. But get back to these bicycles they even had a little solar units on it as well to keep the lights etcetera\n    going for the bike. But I have heard since that a lot of these bikes are ending up in dumps. People are for the first hours it’s free and so in that\n    first day if they dump it they can walk away and no responsibility. After one hour you have to get your phone and then click on the button to get your\n    barcode sorted and then they know who has actually taken responsibility for it. So they kinda have to tidy all this up. 
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Lisa: They'll have to make it hang from the beginning because I saw on the news New Zealand news a massive dump of bicycles in Beijing. It's absolutely\n    huge yes I couldn't believe it. And I thought how could these people be throwing the bikes away. So yes they have to recycle them all of course and\n    repair them and change the system and not give them an hour free which is unfortunate but that's I suppose human nature, not really respecting the\n    system. 
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Tim: You've got it, this is true. When you give somebody something free regrettably, there are certain ones among us who does have got no respect for the\n    goodness of what that gift is. And here so will this new QR coding it's going to is going to be able to make the people more responsible for everything\n    that they get. Because they're finding to that if they throw something away or like a cigarette packet on the side of the street they can track back\n    from that code too like the RFID code then see who bought it. And then find out who dropped it on the ground.
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Lisa: So really what you got going on in China you've got the the kind of Western materialistic capitalist type of thought coming through and that would\n    be those people that would throw the bikes away. And then you've got the the respectful people who still understand the old ways maybe or who have\n    been taught the old ways that would care about the community and not just about the individual. 
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Tim: Here's an interesting one what shocked me and that really shocked me was wherever I went as far as the eye could see I could see these 50-storey apartment\n    buildings and I couldn't believe the amount of them. And I was on the bullet train were going through the country whose see clusters of them all over\n    the country and some of them I felt were a little bit too close to each other. But I have managed to be able to go into one of these and I was on the\n    12th floor and I went into a home and it was with only Onewa, my translator’s family and his sister and her husband and a new little daughter, lovely\n    little daughter sweet one, Bella was her name. And I went in there and they cooked me up a magnificent feast and I was able to go in with my video.\n    And the living room and the lounge were joined to the kitchen and there was ample room for bedrooms. And the little daughter she had her whole corner\n    in the lounge it was her little special posi where she could she had a little fence around it and she had her dolls house and and all their toys and\n    was it was delightful. 
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And I thought to myself if I had to live in a and this apartment would definitely fulfill my needs and so what is that the government wants to make sure\n    that people in China have got very good accommodation. And so from that good we can definitely learn from this is a very very important issue because\n    what they’ve done is that they’ve pulled up six hundred million people out of what I would say quite depressed situations of huts and houses that some\n    would say would possibly squalid particularly in the rural sector they still got work to do there but it's happening. 
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And what really impacted me in this whole journey was that China has stolen a march on Uncle Sam. It has actually outflanked America by putting huge amounts\n    of money into the infrastructure across the whole nation. And the reason why it's been able to do this is because it's got no wars going. America has\n    got itself totally entangled in the octopus that it is and wars everywhere particularly in the Mediterranean and the Arab world.
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Lisa: Well Africa too - very quietly.
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Tim: Yes well that's right this challenge is about for years of in Somalia. So what America has done is it has squandered all its resources and put it\n    into war and to the military-industrial complex and if you do note there's 21 trillion dollars in the last few months that is unaccounted for that\n    has been lost within the military-industrial complex - 21 trillion dollars. And has come out of a big university in the United States so we're going\n    to find out more about this. So Michigan State University and Professor Mark Skidmore are exposing this fraud. America has lost its opportunity. 
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I've been up to America in 2014 I was up there and I was astounded at how little infrastructure had been put in place and Trump was actually going to...he\n    recognized that too and he was going to put all this money into the infrastructure and we just don't know what's going on there. But this is where\n    it is now China is quickly becoming a very modern country for the last 20 years plus it's essentially hoovered up all cements and all the steel globally\n    to build up the country.
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Lisa: Well it's a big place to build up isn't it? 
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Tim: Fourth largest country land mass wise on earth yes 
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Lisa: And yeah I was in the U.S. in 2014 too - and in well no it's in 2011 actually in New York and I mean the pavements were broken all over the place\n    you have to watch where you were walking or you’ll trip. 
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Tim: I agree with you I remember when I went there in 2010 I went down to a specific place on Lincoln Boulevard just before you go up towards the airport\n    and way back in 1993 when I was in Los Angeles I saw this but they could part of the road I thought gosh this is terrible. 
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Well in 2010 I went back to that same place and it was still there and then I started photographing all the broken up footpaths. And the more I looked\n    I thought this is terrible and I thought hold on, hold on stop photographing all this sort of stuff. I don't want to photograph the demise of America.\n    
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Lisa: Well it's running a bit slow in doing this unfortunately over there yes but going back to China how do you think they would have fared if they had\n    not had a central government like that running it, would they have been able to do it? 
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Tim: Well I don't think so I mean we've only now understand from government even going back to Chang Kai Shek and all the way back to the dynasties who\n    always came from the top of the pyramid that what it is at the moment has said I have faith I came away with a feeling Lisa that China could also be\n    a new light in the world. 
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Because I found a lot of kindness with the people particularly all people that look at me and I'd look at my bushy eyebrows and and they couldn't understand\n    who I was. And when my friend Onewa we went up to Shanghai, in the main street of Shanghai. I mean it was all dazzling lights and clean and tidy you\n    had people always cleaners cleaning up after everybody. There's no cigarette butts on the ground and you know China was a great nation of smokers about\n    300 million, well that's starting to decline now. 
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But when we walked through Shanghai she would say Tim, Tim they’re all staring at you they're looking at you and they think, well they know that you're\n    not an American and I know that you're not because up here they just can't quite work you out. And I said well it's not often that they see a hobbit\n    from Matamata in New Zealand. So there was so much in the way of I don't know goodness coming from the people.
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I was on a train once and the Chinese wanted to share their food with me. They wanted to make sure that I was having a good trip and now we only communicate\n    through sign language in this case, I could anyway. But again with Onewa’s family they just took me out to restaurant after restaurant and they wouldn't\n    receive any money from me. 
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They took me everywhere, they just wanted to be kind and it's really interesting because when I came back to New Zealand I met a Kiwi businessman who had\n    worked and lived in China. And he said Tim, you know what those Chinese people who took you out they would have been really glad to have met you because\n    they've never really met a Westerner who likes to reciprocate and be kind be thoughtful be mindful. They see us Westerners going all the way back to\n    the Opium Wars as really wanting to exploit China. 
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And this is what really we have done. I mean China has always been on the wrong end of the bargain and when it has come to Britain, Europe, and America.\n    I mean we've given China a hard time. And so the Chinese aren't too sure about us. 
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So he said when a lot of the Chinese people now they're leaving China and going over to Canada and America and New Zealand and Australia, he said a lot\n    of them have been able to get out of China because they've got a lot of money. They've been able to go into other countries and he said some of these\n    other countries that they go to they're only seeing the entrepreneurial Chinese. The one Chinese who are really going for the money. And they haven't\n    got really a lot of time to spend with community in their new country and sometimes you will see them has been focused only on money. 
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Whereas in China the ordinary people they're not just necessarily focused on the monetary thing. Yes they like the technology, they like the change at\n    the scene. I am very very proud of their country because in a matter of years they are witnessing the upgrading of everything from transportation to\n    housing and and the health is getting better. 
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Though I went to a Chinese health shop and I saw all the different leaves and roots of plants. And in Singapore you'll see even seahorses and it's right\n    there tons of this and that and claws of bears and this is as you know the dark side of the house that these are still a balance here between Western\n    health and Eastern health. And acupuncture is still an important thing 
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Lisa: Well they have I know acupuncture at hospitals for example. So that's you know they've got the Western the best of the West and the East in a way.
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Tim: Very true yes I had a very dear friend who went to an acupuncturist here in Mount Eden. And he was Chinese and he used to fly back to Shanghai regularly\n    and he was involved with open hearts surgery. And he was able to find the nodal points in that body so that they could have the operation without having\n    to go through all the heavy injections. And God knows what else what we do to - what does it mean anesthetic anesthetics. So yeah well so there's a\n    lot going on in this country that we don't know. And I'm just fascinated with where it is going to go bearing in mind that China and Russia are getting\n    closer together. And in an actual fact America needs to find ways to put out their hand and say come on we all share the same breath we are a planetary\n    culture we're a global family we need to work it all out so that we can be a planet of peace. 
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Lisa: Unfortunately I don't see the U.S. doing that anytime soon. And what New Zealand needs to know is we have to look at who our friends are and that's\n    really important in my opinion.
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Tim: You are listening to Lisa Er interview me Tim Lynch on my recent trip to China.
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Lisa: I mean I know in China for example if you disagree with the regime or whatever you're in big trouble certainly. And if you go overseas to try and\n    get away from it they can still get you back one way in another. So there are some downsides definitely but overall economically and everything else\n    I think that perhaps yes Russia and China should be our friends. 
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Tim: It's a very interesting thing because I thought about it and this always...I'm an activist and if I see something that's out of alignment or there's\n    a human right being violated or nature's been violated, I know this I'll I'll get in and I'll stand up for nature. And I realize that most probably\n    I would end up in the eyesight of the authorities both in China and in Russia. So yes I can see that I could get into a tight squeeze in these countries.\n    
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And yet when I was in Russia only three years ago they treated me royally and I was with Russians for a whole month. And I never met an American or an\n    Englishman or an Australian or at all or anybody from the West. So we're going to have another look at life and we've got to we need to go to these\n    countries and spend time with the people. Because of people have a common denominator and I agree with you we need to have a far more open understanding\n    of foreign relations. 
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Lisa: We could do that actually in New Zealand because there are a lot of people from other countries in New Zealand and yet they tend to stick together\n    because they're not invited into New Zealanders homes. There's no real not enough anyway community building between different nationalities here. And\n    I noticed it very much actually because I have quite a lot of friends from different nationalities and also when I was working we had 29 staff we had\n    15 different nationalities. So it gives you an idea then as to how people will view things differently. And I think we could do that in New Zealand\n    just build on that even if you can't go overseas and see the other cultures. We can learn here.
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Tim: I'm in agreement. I think been skilled and conflict resolution understanding how we can in many ways or find ways to communicate through all the difficulties\n    reconciling opposing points of views. I cannot understand why New Zealand hasn't had a huge involvement and communication with the Scandinavian countries.\n    We need to have been in Scandinavia for the last 30 to 40 years just learning from them because their social and their industrial ideas work towards\n    getting the people on board working together. It's like having share ownership and things like that. So this may happen again China may come through\n    with some very interesting ways of doing life and innovative business principles. 
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Lisa: They could do I mean now you're allowed more than one child I think.
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Tim: That’s correct.
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Lisa: Because that was a really hard policy and put too much pressure on that one child. So the pressure on Chinese children to learn and to do well was\n    really quite unreasonable I believe. So hopefully that will relax now but there's more than one child.
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Tim: I would think so I'd like to think so too. Kiddies need need a brother and sister they need somebody to play with and it balances up everything otherwise\n    they could we know in other countries a single child can become quite precocious. But what I'm really trusting on Lisa is that once the Chinese people\n    gets full of material things and especially consumerism and realize that they only serve a certain purpose that they will then start self reflecting\n    on who they are as a civilization and go back to how the early Taoist and the Buddhists live and look at all the different spiritual qualities. 
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Because there's a thing like Tai Chi and Chi-gong (Qigong) Tai Chi Chi-gong Kung Fu these have an understanding of Chi. Chi is a hidden energy that we\n    in the West haven't been able to grasp at all. But acupuncturists can because they know that Chi flows through our body and by strategically placing\n    certain needles in their body they can unblock the energy at a Meridian nodal point to allow us to have a flow in our whole physical configuration\n    that'll help us heal. 
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And so then is the I Ching the I Ching for defining very very interesting method of being able to tune into certain forces. I mean this Feng shui is how\n    you put a house together, how you put your rooms together, how the land has worked with when you put trees and stones and walls and that sort of thing.\n    They understand they have this particular sense and there are many other unique spiritual qualities to the Chinese Way of life. 
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And I know one of the things that shocked me when I was up in China the Simpsons had come to China and Bart Simpson was on TV every night. And up to possibly\n    300 million young Chinese were watching Bart create mayhem and break all of the taboos of life every night. That he was in many ways single-handedly\n    he was deconstructing and pulling the rug out from 2500 years of Confucian thought.
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Lisa: Well my problem with Bart Simpson and Homer Simpson well the Simpsons is that it's very poor role model for boys. 
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Tim: Completely, you bet.
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Lisa: And that's it's quite interesting we've had quite a long time of The Simpsons here in New Zealand and boys have been outperformed by girls at school.\n    And it just makes me wonder how much influence the television has? I suspect it has huge influence on the children seeing the boys are dumb and the\n    girls are bright because that's what the Simpsons were showing. 
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Tim: Very much.
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Lisa: Not very good if it does that in China either.
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Tim: That's right well I don't know I didn't ask at the time was were the Simpsons on China. I somehow think that they have been pushed aside because when\n    I was teaching them the language school here in Auckland the Chinese came down they flocked down in 2002 and 2003. Auckland was a mess the main street\n    of Auckland at lunchtime was essentially 75% Asian and about 25% Auckland solely because the language schools were in the city and that what was happening\n    is that all the youngsters at 17, 18, 19 year-old they would end up at the casino, they would end up at all the strip clubs, they found out that they\n    can go into the pubs and they get drunk and there is dope there's all sorts of things and what happened was that the Chinese parents realize that their\n    children were learning things that were very, very frowned upon in China. 
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And so they withdraw all of their children and they wanted the teachers to then go back up to China and teach. Therefore the children will be away from\n    all the indulgences and distractions that basically everywhere in our Western society.
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Lisa: Right so that's how you ended up going to try not to teach then.
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Tim: That's right yes 
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Lisa: Okay yes yeah it's pretty sad but I'm just going to take you back to when you were talking about Taoism and everything and I'm I'm wondering why\n    do you think the Falun Gong persecuted. Because they believe in a lot of this sort of things that you were talking about and yet they're persecuted.\n    
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Tim: They're supposed to be around about 70 million people who have become followers of Falun Gong. What they didn't do is they needed to just keep on\n    growing and keep on growing but the leader wanted to confront the establishment in China. And that's where they made the wrong decision. 
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They thought that they could use a bit of muscle and start to shift the dynamics of China and they came up very strong against the political apparatus\n    of China. Now had they been more savvy and the guy I think he's still in New York or somewhere in the States who essentially set it all up. 
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If he said just let it run and just let it work his way in so that all the neighbors in the end would come out of the apartment building and they'd be\n    doing tai chi or chi gong out in the park. That would have then started to extend right across the whole country but he used it as a power play far\n    too early because I think he might have he want to get political.
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Lisa: Okay so it was timing really it's like wanting the change that you're talking about but trying to push it when society and the government wasn't\n    ready. So did you see any people doing Tai Chi or whatever in in the parks.
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Tim: Not as much only because I was short of time yes but when I was up there but previously in 2003 I did Tai Chi with people in the park.
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Lisa: Lovely 
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Tim: Yes and I've also done a lot of Tai Chi in Taiwan and there as well. When I used to go up so Taiwan so outside outside China these martial arts or\n    these soft martial arts are still here to get the people to be flexible to breathe deep and bring in the Chi. Yes.
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Lisa: Right so how do you think having that sort of lifestyle will work with the very high tech China that's the other aspect of it. 
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Tim: Well it's really interesting because at the moment, China has the fastest computers on earth. They're doing mega billions of computations a second.\n    They've beat America. They're well in advance and was really interesting because when I went up to China the first time this is really I think one\n    of the most interesting stories in 1996 I went to Xi’an and I happened to turn on a TV set and I was watching a TV and showed an airplane I think was\n    PanAm 747 flight landing somewhere in China and the cameras focused on some stairwell being pushed up to this aircraft. 
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They didn't have air bridges in those days because China was not in the game plan at all. Anyway three suits came out of this 747 Chinese men went up shook\n    hands and they walked down stairs over the tarmac towards where the camera was. And was just focused on these three American men with suits. And then\n    they did a right-hand turn and one had a briefcase and they zoomed in on this briefcase it had the initials IBM. America and IBM had come to China.\n    
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And when I was there that particular time in the railway stations that destination systems were so archaic they were so completely dilapidated. Anyway\n    I went back again in 1990 just after Tiananmen Square and they had all modern signs in the airports and so we jumped up now. And then and about 2005\n    Lenovo, the Chinese corporation, Computer Corporation went and bought IBM's desktop division and took that over. And then finally they've now got the\n    fastest supercomputers on earth.
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Lisa: Oh well 
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Tim: So what it was there the State Department in America would have given IBM the authority to take this technology to China but the State Department\n    were not savvy because as soon as this information came the Chinese would have had at least 10,000 technicians and engineers working 24/7 on it and\n    understanding everything they could about computers. 
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Now I want to jump across in New Mexico there is the Santos Laboratory and is also the Los Alamos laboratories, two military laboratories each with 9,000\n    scientists in each working on the defense armaments etc or on GA. So what it is these big military laboratories were are in America same in China.\n    And so the People's Liberation Army would have said right let's put all our people into. They could have had a hundred thousand different Chinese technicians\n    for I know looking at all the ways on how to deal with computers. 
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Now China at the moment is really really the leader and so it all stemmed possibly from that IBM trip way back in 1996.
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Lisa: Oh and I have a Lenovo computer so… and it’s very good.
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Tim: Yes well you see and we don't know if there's a backdoor entry to all these computers. We still don't know and this has freaked a lot of Americans\n    out now too because they're buying Lenovos. And so the Chinese could be actually coming through the back door.
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Lisa: Oh well 
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Tim: Yeah there's a lot going on and America has accused China of hacking into so many things particularly a military establishment. And we don't know\n    yet the full story there's a whole new game going and all we have to do is just to make it really clear we've gotta work together. And I I wanted to\n    say one small thing when I was teaching here in New Zealand some young Chinese kids came into her classroom and they said we're ready for America.\n    And I said what do you mean? Oh you know when China's big enough now we can take on America. And i say are you sure? 
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Yep so I went up to the blackboard and I drew the outline of a nuclear submarine, just an outline and I said in that submarine name is 2020 ballistic missile\n    Basel or launch areas. So that’s 20 missiles in that one submarine and they have eight multiple re-entry nuclear warheads and I says okay eight 20s\n    what does that come to, they worked it out 160 warheads and I says that's just one American nuclear submarine. And they've got something like about\n    16 of these as well as all of the Bombers and all the the Minutemen sitting in silos up in Montana and God knows what else. I said you're learning\n    English I want you to learn English to go up to an American put your head out shake hands and say hi brother let's see how we can all work together\n    to resolve all the challenges that we have as a humanity if we want to have world peace and we want to have a children have a future and that includes\n    you. 
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Lisa: Well it's a very good idea. Unfortunately the last couple of days the US has flown into Chinese airspace around the islands in the South China Sea\n    and China is not happy. So in America's sort of thing pupu is not important. Yes we're going to still have to watch American and Chinese relations\n    very very closely. Because the US as it always does is pushing hard.
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Tim: Yes it was a difficult the American and military-industrial complex which Eisenhower talked about and which possibly Kennedy wanted to curtail or\n    at least dampen down has stolen the ascendant at the moment. And as I said if it was 31 trillion dollars we just don't know what's going on. All we\n    do know is that citizen diplomacy is the answer. Lisa, we have to as New Zealanders instead of going to all Paris and to London we need to actually\n    go to Moscow and to Beijing and to Shanghai and start communicating with all sorts of people to say right we all share the same breath we all love\n    our children we want a future for everybody that we can really enjoy and go into a light of their own true selves as a global family.
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Lisa: We absolutely have to do this or we're not going to survive we're not going to survive the risk of nuclear war we're not going to survive climate\n    change if we don't work together. So the whole idea of people of the world working together is essential for our survival 
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Tim: So true you see that we're looking at 20% of reforestation throughout China. This is a real big one and they're looking at renewable energy and they\n    say that very shortly up to 20 percent of China's energy is going to come from renewables. When I was at the school in 2003 in a place called Yuyao\n    which is between Ningbo and Hangzhou and for want of a better place to clarify, we had solar hot water systems on all the school buildings. This is\n    in 2003. 
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And I saw windmills big gigantic windmills when I was there as well and taking over. So what it needs is we need to be really creative and wanting to find\n    ways to reach out and meet all these different peoples of the world and say we've gotta take care of today and tomorrow, for our children and our grandchildren.
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Lisa: And in New Zealand I think particularly a lot of New Zealanders are pretty anti-chinese. So I hope that you've listened to the interview with interest\n    because it's not just about all those Chinese coming in and buying our land or you know oh we're selling our water over to China. It's not just about\n    this there's a much bigger picture and it's important that we all get on together.
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Tim: I'm in full agreement.
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Lisa: Well Tim we're just about at the end of the interview, we've got a little bit more time.
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Tim: Oh good 
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Lisa: What would you really like to say about China, your real most important impressions.
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Tim: That in my travels I've found that 85 to 90 percent of the world's population are essentially good people good people. They just want to get on with\n    family have a good job have a holiday have a house and a car and communicate with family members relations etc. and see the world. And so look for\n    good and everybody be prepared to put your hand out and be open to their coming back to you and sharing that’s the first thing. I think also learning\n    a language is important. My Chinese students used to laugh Oh Tim’s going to be Chinglish soon and Chinese and English combined but it's imperative\n    for us to be able to know particular greetings and thank yous and a few other key words prior to us going to a country so that we can set up a good\n    resonance between us and call on the goodness of people. 
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But also I think it from New Zealand standpoint we need to have a far more broader approach to life. We need to have lots of New Zealanders who are adept\n    at conflict resolution, going out and living with some of these families, hanging out with them. 
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I don't know what sort of cross cultural ties we have particularly with education and what sort of scholarships we have. I mean we used to have American\n    filled scholarships and I think they still go. We need to have these with China with Russia with in many cases of countries that are in need of just\n    knowing how the other part of the world live. Because I've seen