Bill Watson: Soul is where the inner & outer worlds meet: How do choices determine our souls path?

Interviewed by

Tim Lynch

Bill Watson: Soul is where the inner & outer worlds meet: How do choices determine our souls path?

Welcome back, Bill! It’s been a whole two weeks. We knew that soul - ‘even though we can not see it’ - was a big topic but we didn’t know it would become a two-part series.

There are many perspectives on what is soul; it’s like the blind man and the elephant, each has an insight into a larger totality that’s beyond the view of all.

I think we get closer to the truth when we are able to suspend judgment about these different perspectives in our exploration of the nature of soul.

Bill said -: back by popular demand - haha. Before we get into it he says that words cannot express how important the American election has become for the whole world…and it is by no means simply about Trump vs. Biden or Republican vs. Democrat. It is about freedom vs. the Great Reset. This is a fight for the soul of America. These are surely interesting times! Fasten your seat belt!

Tim - good to know there are soul fans out there - folks who understand empathy and compassion - so what can we say?

All living beings have souls; some have “group souls”, they only function in a group context: a herd, a hive, a flock; do sheep have choices about shearing, being dipped, going to the works? Are those moral choices?

Is everything that involves a moral choice a Soul issue for Humans?

Bill says he thinks do. Sea Shepherd is a soul issue. WHY? The oceans are dying. The whales, from Orcas and Belugas to Blues, are disappearing. We fought whalers for them.

5G is a soul issue. Why? The biosphere (and us) are dying from different forms of radiation.

Electrohypersensitivity is becoming more common. Immune systems are weakening.

We are witnessing a sustained, coordinated attack on—us

It has been subtle and covert for decades, but not any more…

And what do we see? Humans are starting to fight back. Getting arrested, sometimes fined, sometimes beaten up, for unlawful (?) assembly. For not wearing masks.

As individuated, self-reflective humans, we are a species with individual souls. Soul is the immortal expression of Humans; from a metaphysical (religious, philosophical) perspective we belong to the “Angelic Soul Group”. Angelic describes our soul PATH, which is Service to Others. If we listen to our inner voices, to our Higher Self, our guides, we stay on the path. It’s the mind that gets us into trouble!

What’s wrong with mind?

Because the mind offers an illusion of control. There's nothing more joyful, more painful, more useless, and more powerful than the mind. The brilliance of your mind will not save you, it will only make you terribly certain. It took Bill many years to really understand what Gurdjieff meant when he said, “To be clever is to be stupid.” Being clever, wily, tricky is the realm of the mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff

You can turn left by following your intuition and your mind may be giving you a million reasons why it is better to turn right… and they might all make sense. But the more you follow your instinct, your gut hunch, which is your inner authority, the more you will be making decisions that are correct for you. It’s important to not let the mind upset you or call the shots about what direction to take in life.

You mentioned guides and higher self. Do you recall your first contact?

The year before he started kindy. He saw his two guides, he knew their names, names he had never heard before, and he could see and describe them. One afternoon he opened the front door and let them in, sat them down at a little table in the living room, served them tea and had a conversation with them. His mother and a friend were sitting on the couch and witnessed this. Years later his mother told him that they thought he had a great imagination. He told her that his guests were every bit as real to him as she and her guest were. Contact with his guides tapered off when he went to school the following year, but he never doubted that they were with him, and still are.

Saying that 3D Earth is a school: it is a world of opposites, of polarities. Light/Dark, male/female, day/night, inner/outer, harmony/friction, peace/war; peace is a friction-free environment. Yin/Yang, push something long enough and hard enough, it turns into its opposite. It’s called the doctrine of reversion.

We contain the potential for both, and every choice, however small, is a test. It moves us in one direction or another.

St Paul how often we know the right, yet do the wrong?

That comes from listening to mind, using mind to make choices. Better to “go inside”.

How do we “go inside” when we are faced with important choices?

  • Your source of inner authority will determine that, we’re all different.
  • It’s not a made-up authority, or a philosophical one; it is part of your biological mechanism. It's your wiring, and it doesn't require your mind. It's an authority that allows you to operate correctly as yourself, to navigate confidently and skilfully on this plane of reality.
  • Sources of authority could be the solar plexus, like mine; or sacral, like yours; or several other possibilities. Since you and I have different sources of inner authority, when we are “correct” we make decisions in a way different from each other.
  • Tim asks Bill for an example of how our decision process would be different?
  • Wave vs. grunt Any listener can learn more about this, it is valuable knowledge (and knowledge protects)
  • If really important and “stuck” or “stumped”, Bill Mentions the ancient oracle of China the I Ching. Some interesting banter between Tim and Bill came up around this ancient Chinese oracle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching

Bill said the Angelic Soul Group’s path is Service to Others ; you can easily spot them, people who are really STO shine with their own light. In reality most folks here in 3D reality are STS ‘Service to Self’ and need a lamp—and that’s OK as long as the core intention is STO. But there are many that consciously left the path many lifetimes ago, and by choice prefer the dark. They are totally committed to STS. They’re primarily materialistic, greedy, corrupt; they may have made a Faustian bargain at some time, a really bad choice, and they usually have psychopathic tendencies which means they have little or no empathy.

They also have the ability to knowingly do harm.

They are opportunistic, skillfully dishonest and they seek power. He believes it is a factor of electro-magnetics — they actually are 'magnetized to’ drawn into the wombs they resonate with. Like attracts like. The Bhagavad Gita actually describes that incarnation process “they have been “cast into wombs of similar disposition”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita

A good example of this is John D. Rockefeller, who once boasted that he would pay a salary of a million dollars to someone who is "...able to glide over every moral restraint with almost childlike disregard and has, besides other positive qualities, no scruples whatsoever and be ready to kill thousands of victims--without a murmur."($1MM adjusted to today =$31MM)

And his son David found one! His name is Henry Kissinger.

“It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.”

Bill, what was your first awareness that all was not well with the World Soul?

High school in the late 50s. I was outraged. 800 miles away…crops destroyed, Oct/Nov 1959 (61 years ago) started to do research. Read Silent Spring in 1962. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring

"Is there a soul evolution process? In which density is our astral existence?"

There are several different models or theories about this, just like no consensus on the transition years from the Baby Boomers to GenX, GenY, Millennials.

5th density as I understand it is about contemplation. In the chain of densities, one through seven, the souls exist in 1 through 4 and in 6th, actively, and in 5th density passively, so the 5th is said to be where souls go when you leave your physical body in 3rd density. You get to review this life and learn from it, then decide what it is you want to do in your next incarnation. It is pretty much accepted that the angelic realm, the bardo, the samboghakaya, the 6 lokas, all these “places” including heaven and hell, are all 5th density destinations that cluster not by geography but by thought wave.

Learning is necessary for progress of soul...it’s all about lessons. This is how we build our power center...

What do our souls have to look forward to in a higher density world?

There’s lots of speculation about ascension and what might await us. We have certainly hit a point in time where things are getting worse on this planet. Civilisations come and go in waves, and it is looking like the current wave has peaked and will be crashing in about 12 years, and humanity will be going through a dark patch in the near future. The ones that don’t wake up will be doing 3rd density over again.

In third density we live with the illusion is that there is no link between consciousness and matter. Actually consciousness can be matter. Light is gravity. Optics are atomic particles, matter is antimatter... just reverse everything to understand the next level... it is all about balance, and the answer must always be zero. And zero is infinity. The illusion is that there is separation. It is the alteration of perception that turns the axis and creates the illusion of distance you can reverse that and understand that there is no distance between us and, say, Alpha Centauri. If you warp space/time you travel by bringing your destination to you. In 4D you have the capability without the "mechanical technology." But even more importantly, you will be able to project into the future and see the consequences of any choice you make in the present. There won’t be any “If only I had done this, or said that…” There will be opportunities to work on what you’re passionate about with like-minded people without interference, betrayal, theft of IP or other painful experiences.

Personal story

In 1998 Bill was part of a research team in Taiwan, that was conducting a government-funded study of the effects of flower essences on the emotional patterns of Chinese patients.

One of his colleagues, whom he had known only briefly, was intensely psychic; she downloaded some information about him. She said that three lifetimes ago he made a very big discovery, was on the edge of fame and fortune; however, his results were destroyed and he was discredited by the establishment. This info caused something to crack inside, and it has been under repair ever since, it was a very deep wound that has taken this long to heal. Saying this was very useful information, it helped reveal a pattern in his life, and aside from experiences in this lifetime why he had a deep-seated fear and distrust of the establishment.

Bill, can you do a quick recap on the different views of soul?

There’s the Pre-modern Classical Paradigm, the Greek and Roman view was—neither spirit nor body, but an inner impulse. Soul is a living quality of the body that animates it.

The Greek word for soul is psyche; it is also the word for butterfly, which implies that it is capable of transmutation or metamorphosis. = reincarnation. ( which will be covered at a later date).

Soul is what moves us; we experience it in music and poetry…it is passion, desire, the peaks and depths of experience.

Tim talks of Muse’s in ancient Greece - being in his understanding, Greek for a ‘mind angel’ - that whispers in the ears of philosopher mystics - stories, poetry etc

Bill - Says -I correspond with concert cellist in Belgium who writes, “I can feel the change hanging in the air on a g string “

She says, “To be able to listen to music, and let it in, one needs an open heart--

Yet music can also help you open your heart, the vibrations gently massaging the muscles until the Soul is ready to open up and let it in :)

So if we are electro-chemical beings we respond to vibratory resonance, and Soul is a mystery: it arises from the world of spirit, and expresses itself through the physical body ….

Q: So where do we find it?

It’s not lost, we just don’t realise it’s there.

The German philosopher Novalis wrote: The seat of the soul is where the inner world and the outer world meet.”

The American poet Auden may have been responding to Novalis when he wrote, “The center that I cannot find is known to my unconscious mind.” He finishes the stanza with, “I have no reason to despair because I am already there.”

This tallies with what I mentioned in the last talk, Hillman’s notion that soul is what turns events into experience, that those experiences are our stories, and rightly remembered and shared, they give meaning to our lives.

We have the expression “he’s lost the plot.” It’s about finding meaning, Tim. It’s what makes sense out of our individual lives. When people feel despair, often they have given up hope because they have lost the thread, become disoriented, don’t know what to do with their lives. One of the classics is Victor Frankl’s Man’s search for meaning. He was a WWII holocaust survivor.

The soul wants meaning and beauty…but we live in a world of more and more information and less and less meaning!

Tim: it’s a compliment to say that someone has “the soul of a poet”. Why is that?

Poems convey meaning in an elegant, compelling way. They “move” us to laughter or tears--or wherever the poet wants to take us. They can express the full range of emotions—the highs and the lows—in a way that others relate to.

Bill wanted to share this poem that takes us deep into the feeling of being out of harmony with the soul:

In a dark time, the eye begins to see,
I meet my shadow in the deepening shade;
I hear my echo in the echoing wood--
A lord of nature weeping to a tree.
I live between the heron and the wren,
Beasts of the hill and serpents of the den.
What's madness but nobility of soul
At odds with circumstance? The day's on fire!
I know the purity of pure despair,
My shadow pinned against a sweating wall.
That place among the rocks--is it a cave,
Or winding path? The edge is what I have.
A steady storm of correspondences!
A night flowing with birds, a ragged moon,
And in broad day the midnight come again!
A man goes far to find out what he is--
Death of the self in a long, tearless night,
All natural shapes blazing unnatural light.
Dark, dark my light, and darker my desire.
My soul, like some heat-maddened summer fly,
Keeps buzzing at the sill. Which I is I?
A fallen man, I climb out of my fear.
The mind enters itself, and God the mind,
And one is One, free in the tearing wind.

American poet Roethke died at 55, but lived through WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII; he saw…and felt much. He became manic-depressive after WWII, but was driven to write his best poetry in the last 15 years of his life. He had a hard ride, as did many men and women who have left behind a great legacy.

Yes, hard times can certainly bring out the best and the worst in humans…

Good times and bad have always come in cycles; I believe we’ve seen the best of times and along with the solar cycle, there’s a downturning with many out of work , businesses closed; what’s starting to look like food shortages worldwide and a coup in progress to crash the global economy…and many are still unaware, there’s’ reason to have deep concern for the future.

What creates harmony is balance. We’re ‘way out of balance. That creates intolerance. Without tolerance, freedom of expression is endangered. The last thing we need in our society is more government-mandated rules and laws that limit our freedom of expression, which is a core New Zealand value. Policing our speech, censoring our posts and telling us which words we can and cannot use is not the way to achieve a harmonious, tolerant multicultural society. We hear a lot from the gov’t and from supposedly vulnerable minority groups about the need to embrace diversity, but the one diversity they don’t tolerate is diversity of opinion.

…and the truth shall make you free.”

Today the truth is censored and many who actually hear it refuse to believe it.

Here are my assumptions about the future: our planet has become a very troubled place

  • things may get worse before they improve
  • people everywhere are being asked to evolve
  • the coming years will be testing time--of resilience, endurance, patience, grounding, focus, non-attachment, good-heartedness.

Joseph Campbell wrote that the old myths no longer deal with present reality, and we need to come together, listen to each other’s stories, create new ones. He was the person who had a large influence on George Lucas of Star Wars.

The soul is the intermediary between the inner and the outer ((body and spirit), between life and consciousness; it represents limitless expansion of the higher self. I can say with confidence that my life will end, but my soul will go on.

Tim - and hopefully to a more harmonious place ...

Let’s talk about the here and now, and the role of Soul in the science fiction movie that we seem to be living in.

Ah, that could be one of many movies, my choices would be They Live or Bladerunner, the 1982 movie based on Philip K. Dick's 1968 novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? where the replicants rebel against their human creator. It was a very early and accurate portrayal of corporate control and what the modern occult arts can do in the real world.

Soul has been reduced to a physical mechanism by modern science, which is creating a world of machine-like creatures! And when we look to the behavioural sciences for soul, it’s much the same…

In modern Western culture, Psychology (Greek = knowledge of the soul) treats soul as a mechanism that can be predictably programmed…to sell products or manipulate public opinion. And worse, MK-ULTRA, program killers and erase their memories

On the other hand, Psychotherapy (= soul care) is about increasing self-awareness and enhancing the quality of life of the soul, and there have been huge advances in my lifetime.

In the early 90s Bill taught for several years at ITP in CA, which was founded by Abraham Maslow, one of the founding fathers of Transpersonal Psychology…which recognises a transcendent or spiritual dimension to life—and which offers a wider context to soul development. Assagioli was also a pioneer; in Psychosynthesis, the Spiritual self is developed as the center of sub-personalities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Assagioli

The therapeutic process shines the light of understanding into the dark recesses of the human psyche…and to understand is to forgive…and forgiveness has a liberating effect on the soul. (this is one aspect of the transformative process) & Ho’oponopono. This term is from Hawaii and extremely profound.

There is a focus on shadow work --reclaiming & integrating disowned elements of our psyche (disowned or unrecognised emotions, attitudes)

The Jungian approach to healing is alchemical—a series of symbolic processes for doing the inner work and transmuting the soul. It draws on correspondences to archetypes found in the Natural world. I’ll come back to this alchemical approach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

I also worked with Stan and Christina Grof for two years in the early 90s as Director of the Spiritual Emergence Network; it was created to help souls in crisis, often a Kundalini awakening, occasionally drug-induced. …Fillmore. www.stangrof.com

I think it’s important for all of us to make the connection between individual neuroses…and social problems…and to get involved, socially and politically.

What about Soul and career choices? What happens if we choose something that is out of harmony with what the soul wants.

There are no “wrong” choices, there are only “lessons”. Some people know exactly what they want to do with their lives and start training early; they become expert and successful at a young age…and then they are faced with different kinds of choices. Others may never find work that satisfies the soul, and change jobs many times (either out of dissatisfaction, or because they have many different lessons to learn, as was my case)

Throughout my career I’ve worked with more than 80 orgs in six different countries; in most cases, the goal was to change the company culture in ways that made them more effective. Effectiveness has two components: efficiency and satisfaction. Work can be “soul-destroying”, particularly if the focus is just on efficiency; it’s a bit like white bread and sugar, all the goodness has been refined out.

At one point in his life Roethke (with the soul of a poet) worked as an insurance salesman. Here’s a poem about what he “saw”:

I have known the inexorable sadness of pencils,
Neat in their boxes, dolor of pad and paper weight,
All the misery of manila folders and mucilage,
Desolation in immaculate public places,
Lonely reception room, lavatory, switchboard,
The unalterable pathos of basin and pitcher,
Ritual of multigraph, paper-clip, comma,
Endless duplication of lives and objects.
And I have seen dust from the walls of institutions,
Finer than flour, alive, more dangerous than silica,
Sift, almost invisible, through long afternoons of tedium,
Dropping a fine film on nails and delicate eyebrows,
Glazing the pale hair, the duplicate grey standard faces.

That poem is called “Dolor”, the word for grief in Latin.

I was part of a research team in the 70s that investigated “work spirit”. We interviewed people in “ordinary” low-level jobs e.g. on the factory floor, they had been doing the same job for years. They were singled out by their supervisor because their performance was consistently excellent. We wanted to find out what motivated them. They were quite extraordinary beings, very peaceful and content within themselves. Examples: (2)

One thing that many HR departments frequently use when they’re hiring is psychometric tests to select the applicant that’s best suited to the job they’re applying for. I would propose that in the future, all candidates for public office take a battery of tests, things like the 16PF and what’s called the Sorenson Pathology Index—as a measure of their trustworthiness. This has been a perennial problem and finally we are witnessing the extent of the corruption and I believe we will soon be seeing a collapse of people’s confidence in government, which in a world of global communication is more contagious than a flu virus.

Q: We are heading toward an evolutionary event horizon at a rate of knots.

What themes are emerging from the collective unconscious?

The modern scientific point of view is that the soul is a strictly physical entity, located in the Pineal Gland, which Descartes called the “seat of the soul”. …and we are now at the endgame of the age of enlightenment that began in his lifetime in the 17thC: scientific method, based on analytical thinking, became the foundation of modern civilisation. That cosmology which was built on the cornerstones laid by Descartes, Bacon and Galileo.

Those philosophers are responsible for our plight.

Cosmology describes "the world as (something)—their assumption is, "world as machine," which is a myth…and The world soul is crying: let us out! We’re not machines! We want to be free!

We need a new, different, and more promising myth. I like Hendrik Skolimowski’s point of departure for eco-cosmology, he suggests "world as sanctuary." (from sanctus, a holy place, consecrated ground). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Skolimowski

We should be having serious concerns about the ethical standards of the scientists engaged in nuclear, genetic, bio-warfare and nano research, to name a few. It is right to challenge and question, for this has become an age where technology is assuming the status of a god, and as we know, the goal of the transhumanists is to overcome death. This was foretold.

We’ve been warned; it’s all been hidden in plain sight. We all have to assume a share of the responsibility for giving up our power to these high priests without fully comprehending their values and motives

So … WHY is all this happening NOW?

It’s all about cycles.

We are living through a cycle shift of the World Ages, how that shift correlates to the evolution of both technology and human consciousness, how to live your life in sync with this great cycle change. An “age” is one sign of the zodiac, 30 degrees; 2160 years, so each degree is I think a consensus of astrologers would agree that we have fully entered the Aquarian age

Like the preceding age of Pisces, Aquarius is a symbol, and symbols are frequencies; they are used to send us info (for good or otherwise)…and they are being used to manipulate us by sending signals of coming actions through symbols. The core theory is social engineering, the work of Edward Bernays; it’s about controlling people by manipulating energy and engineering consent. It is the basis of predatory programming and literally a form of black magic. It's a form of subliminal mind control, a shell game of misdirection & distraction. And they are expert at it.

They make plans based on AI, Artificial Intelligence - they have the strategy laid out and they are using AI to drive the tactics because the global chess game is now changing rapidly and one of the transhumanist goals is to connect the human mind to AI. They will be experimenting on profoundly autistic children. https://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/dr-robin-kelly-what-is-the-trans-humanism-agenda-is-it-machine-versus-soul

Of course, the endgame is soul capture or destruction. They want to control us, and already we are seeing the result of lockdowns all over Europe, and how the press, the police and the politicians have been bought with Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation money to enforce them and keep the people in fear.

So this is a critical moment in history: Demands on Humans are becoming unreasonable. It is no longer about reason and dialogue and finding common ground, it is about power and control. If they succeed, we can expect total surveillance, predictive programming, UBI Universal Basic Income and worse. The technocracy and transhumanist agendas are soul-destroying; If we are to grow out of our adolescent aspiration to play God and control everything, our technological ambition must be scaled down.

How can we compete with all that firepower? If we spot something, share the information widely. It will be reviled as conspiracy theory and banned from social media by the tech oligarchs but it shines a spotlight on the way they think and can alter their plans. I can’t help wondering if any of them are aware that they took a wrong turn somewhere in their past and believe it’s too late to go back. Like Macbeth at Dunsinane. Come wind, blow wrack—at least we’ll die with harness on our back.”

Be aware, don’t consent if something doesn’t feel right to you. Do the right thing, no matter what (and trust your gut—it knows instinctively what the “right thing” is). There are consequences for ignoring warning signs, also for doing nothing.

You mentioned that this is a form of black magic. Is it being used for soul capture?

Black magic is the use of occult means to gain power over others. It is not limited to primitive cultures, there are high-tech versions. However the methods to counter it and heal it are traditional and time honoured. That is the realm of the shaman.

What does that have to do with soul?

Bill Says says EVERYTHING. The shaman is a soul healer. There is growing soul sickness: we see it in people knowing the right, and doing the wrong (in some cases, the “wrong” means doing nothing)

We see it in spiritual amnesia--forgetting who we are, and what we’re here to do.

There is soul loss…that comes about through sale, barter, trickery (being gullible, loss of critical thinking), alienation…there is a stable full of them in Hollywood.

So let’s briefly explore the shaman’s view of reality. In virtually all tribal cultures you have a leader, a chief; in Maori culture that’s the kaumatua; you also have a shaman, that’s the tohunga. They're two different roles; one is a public position and the other is a private position. One looks after the physical well-being of the tribe, the other is a kind of doctor who heals through access to Spirit:

Soul is the vehicle for astral travel. For 000s of years, the shamans have been astronauts of inner space…they are people with an 'active third eye' who can see directly into higher dimensions. The tribal shaman lived apart from the tribe, their life path was developing occult power to gain access to the realm of spirits. Their primary concern was the relationship of the living to the dead, a relationship intimately associated with the Moon's waxing and waning, so they hung out in the mountains with the Moon Goddess.

The shaman's unique gift is the power to release the soul from the bodily frame in order to travel between worlds and return unharmed. In their roles as intermediaries between the living and the dead, between the worlds of the known and the unknown, they were respected and sometimes feared by the common folk. They could heal sickness and bring special knowledge from the spirit world for the benefit of their community. In times of serious trouble the tribe would consult with them--Axis mundi, trance, visit spirits (gods, ancestors) & return with information.

Whenever we suffer physical or emotional trauma, a part of our Soul flees from the body to survive the experience; with every new incident, our essence and vitality grows weaker. This process is called “Soul Loss”; in psychological terms, it’s called dissociation. It’s a natural protective mechanism that occurs when we become disconnected from our core, the source of our vitality. It’s the experience of losing touch with your Soul, which is always there in the background of your life, but it’s not always accessible due to the psychological traumas, abuses, and other blockages. Dissociation is used to survive potentially destructive traumatic events, such as

  1. Any form of abuse, e.g., sexual, emotional, physical or mental
  2. An event of prolonged grief, pain, and fear that made you feel helpless or impotent
  3. Deep-seated addictions e.g., substance dependency, gambling, eating disorders
  4. A near-death or out-of-body experience of NDE
  5. Being forced to act against your morals
  6. An experience of intense rejection or abandonment
  7. Witnessing the unexpected death of someone
  8. A sudden and shocking accident
  9. Entering a relationship without strong personal boundaries (resulting in an unhealthy relationship and losing your personal power)

So how do we regain connection with our Soul?

Through a process called Soul Retrieval. In shamanic cultures, Soul loss is understood to be a spiritual illness. When our Soul fragments, the life force weakens and we open to all kinds of emotional, physical, and mental problems. Returning to wholeness and health depends on recovering the missing part or parts of the Soul through the practice of inner work,

So for example in Chinese culture, which has shamanic roots, drug, alcohol, gambling and other self-destructive problems are often dealt with by a shaman, not by a psychologist.

In some shamanic cultures, soul retrieval is treated as an initiatory process.

That’s correct, says Bill saying he has studied Mayan culture and explored archaeological sites in Mexico’s Yucatan, Chiapas and Guatemala since 1972; He became a Mayan daykeeper in 2004. In the Mayan culture there is a strong oral tradition; everyone sings songs and tells stories. Children are allowed to experience and express the full range of emotions. In initiations into adulthood, a young man or woman must wrestle with Death—they go down into the underworld to retrieve their own soul from their romantic feelings – those are feelings that steal the imagination by stealing their heart, which makes them feel hollow inside…

…but before that experience, the elders put them through language training, because in their cultural understanding they believe the greatest weapon against Death is the power of poetic language…that the words themselves have magical properties.

This might sound strange, but you can't kill death; the Mayans believe you can only beguile* Death, because it loves beautiful words so much it will make a deal with you. It will say, 'I'll give you back your soul IF on a regular basis you send messages to the Holy." (The Holy are 13 gods and 13 goddesses of the underworld; they understand and love metaphor--images without the verb 'to be.' When you do not have a verb 'to be' you can't speak unless you use metaphor. Gurdjieff said, “If there’s an I in one’s presence, then God and the devil are of no account.”

* To deceive by guile or charm:

To distract the attention of; divert

To amuse or charm; delight or fascinate.

So the power of these initiations are that they cause these young people to become something that feeds life beyond themselves. It's not ego involvement or self enlightenment. It's something beyond yourself, for the universe.

Right. It’s pure Service to Others. STO.

Grief is a core emotion, it can be too powerful for the psyche to integrate. The soul longs to express feelings but holds back out of fear of the depths of pain that will be released. Shame and depression are considered to be an inability to deal with grief.

Somewhere deep in the memory of our souls, no matter what our ancestry, a deep understanding and capacity for wonder sits weeping…and waiting…

…and that emotional blockage can render people powerless in difficult times.

When we feel powerless, we long to be listened to. The pain is relieved when the story comes out, it frees people…

…and when stories are truly heard, it unblocks subconscious amnesia and transforms it into a liquid grief of remembrance. I have many times witnessed this unblocking, it is a powerfully transformative event.

Grief properly channeled is the source of art.

A Guatemalan shaman who lived through the CIA atrocities in his country over a 36 year period and saw his village destroyed and many of his friends and relatives killed told Bill something similar to what I (Tim) mentioned in last weeks show about the two wolves fighting:

He said, "You love what you love more than you love your hate. If what you love is the divine, story, culture, children, then instead of blowing a whistle, you'll strive to keep the seeds alive.” That’s how he transforms his grief, he considers that the source of his creative power. Keeping "the seeds alive" can be a means of spiritual survival in turbulent times.

Mayans treat caves and baths as sacred, places where the gods and first peoples were born. They believe steam baths and sweat lodges cleanse the soul; that was typically done before an important ceremony;

Bill says Tim!! - You and I are carrying a burden on behalf of generations of Humans, here and yet to come. Easy to be crushed under the weight of knowledge if people won’t hear your stories. They need to wake up, stand up, tell their stories before it’s too late.

Bill sailed here to NZ on his yacht - he is a sailor, coming to NZ on a waka. (canoe, boat, kayak) Saying he knows the sky. WHY, when you can see chemtrails frequently—have they been taboo at climate conferences ever since Rio?

That out of bounds because it is not part of the “agenda”, which is a big fat LIE. GeoEngineering—Gates—Harvard—American Elements—Rothschild’s PG&E. Fires. Hunger. Massive relocations. Landgrabs. Lockdowns. All pieces of the puzzle.

At the same time an increase in sex, violence, all free-to-view, another soul trap.

Addiction. Sex & love addicts, perversions made socially acceptable. What happens to the soul? Distracted from its mission/purpose/destiny. By devices. By artifice.

At this transition point there’s a war going on in an unseen realm. The Dark Side--Gates, Schwab et.al.--have been “cast into wombs of similar disposition” — as it says in the Bhagavad Gita.

Jean Baudrillard, the French social scientist, said “The sad thing about AI is that it lacks artifice and therefore intelligence.” (= cleverness, crafty, wily)

What to do!

Go with your intuition.

Connect with those who add value, who make right choices

Your emotional state is important, if you keep your vibe up, you become invisible to them; our refuge is in higher states of consciousness.

I don’t fear death but I fear the consequences of soul entrapment as the result of wrong choices and embracing the dark.

There are Flower Essences (Covered 2 weeks ago) for different situations and mental/emotional states, there’s no need to carry a burden. As Tim says, let your candle burn brightly…so to do that you must be clear of emotional baggage. This therapy is both effective and relatively inexpensive.

  • *ln the words of H.G. Wells, “Maybe the earliest dawn of human greatness will be the mass realisation of the last 200 years and how terribly out of harmony it is.”

In 1781 there was a mutation that transformed humanity. Not all at once, but over time…from seven-centered strategic beings to nine-centered beings, and no one took much notice. This mutation took place in the visual cortex, which had been honed through our binocular vision into a specific focus. For thousands of years the way in which one scanned the environment was also the way in which one collected information on the inside in terms of the memory system. This mutation in the visual cortex eliminated the need for our binocular vision to focus specifically, it opened up the potential of peripheral or receptive vision. That's very different from the narrow focused strategic look that relates to left hemisphere dominance.

Saying … There will be another significant mutation in this decade, 2027. This isn’t the time to discuss it, but there are already many signs that it will happen. It’s all part of the program that we live in, and we are homo sapiens in transitus.

Egypt was an ancient culture that had lots of rituals that related to Soul and reincarnation, or life after death. What wisdom have they passed on?

The Emerald Tablets are said to be written by Thoth, the Atlantean priest who escaped the deluge and is said to have incarnated into a line of Egyptian pharaohs from the earliest dynastic period for more than 2000 years. Whether that’s true or not, the Emerald Tablets contain some real soul wisdom. I have a few brief quotes here to illustrate:

Man is only what he believeth, a brother of darkness or a child of the Light.

Darkness fetters the Soul. Only the one who is seeking may ever hope to be free.

The body is nothing. The Soul is ALL. Let not your body be a fetter.

Only the Soul is space-free, has life that is really a life.

“When ye as men can learn that nothing but progress of Soul can count in the end, then truly ye are free from all bondage, free to work in a harmony of Law.”

There is much more in this interview - and that crying and tears are both a profound and wonderful way to clear our being of hurt, loss and trauma - well worth listening - just from a standpoint of knowing you are not alone. -Tim

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Tim Lynch

Tim Lynch

Tim Lynch, is a New Zealander, who is fortunate in that he has whakapapa, or a bloodline that connects him to the Aotearoan Maori. He has been involved as an activist for over 40 years - within the ecological, educational, holistic, metaphysical, spiritual & nuclear free movements. He sees the urgency of the full spectrum challenges that are coming to meet us, and is putting his whole life into being an advocate for todays and tomorrows children. 'To Mobilise Consciousness.'

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